Amazing what decent priced season tickets can do....

[Top Flight]

By any definition London is a "world city". We have a fairly central position in a massive urban area that's densely populated and commands exhorbitant prices for land. My point is this; comparing our situation to cruddy little pissholes like Reading, Leicester etc is pointless... they only had to move 800yds from their central High Streets to find acres of space for sale at 50 pence per km/2. I'm guessing that vast majority of fans would oppose us selling LR and then moving miles westwards to Hayes, Greenford or Uxbridge. Rather than viewing our geographic position as a barrier we ought to exploit it - I reckon our owners are trying to do that with their "boutique" vision. Personally I think they're sort of on the right track but need to go more urban/edgy/progressive than the "posh" route.

Their boutique vision is the posh route. £1000 season tickets are for posh people.

I'm saying give QPR back to the real people. Its proper fans. Not to an exclusive minority of people who can afford exorbitant prices. The rich are the minority. The big potential fanbase of QPR is all over West London. You walk around Ruislip or Uxbridge and there are Rangers fans everywhere.

As you say, the cost of land is ridiculous in central London. Let's come a bit to the West and exploit the massive fanbase that is there and crying out for Rangers.

[silvercue]

We can't be a Boutique club with a crap facility anyway. People who are rolling in it, the types thay want at the ground, expect to get the best for their money - not the worst.

I have been to lots of stadiums in the last few years and LR is the worst (although it is obviously my fav!). If I didn't have an emotional attachment to it - I would laugh all the way home.

[stanistheman]

Have we got 16K who would buy a ST?!

Of course QPR have more than 16,000 fans who would pay a reasonable £600 for a Prem League ST.

Why do many fans on these MBs think the club doesn't have fans?

For starters QPR were selling 16000 plus to fans to attend the home games last season especially in the latter stages.

We also know that many 'new' or 'rediscovered' fans would be willing to watch QPR in the Prem League.

Can I remind people on here that 15 years ago Fulham were attracting 3500 to Craven Cottage, and now they attract more than 22,000. Or Wigan who were getting 2,000 10 years ago and now 18,000 or so.

QPR's Tango and Cash have gotten extremely greedy and they are now seeing that fans wont pay stupid prices to watch a Championship squad in and old cramped stadium.

[80sCasual]

Swansea sold 16k

Don't say they're a bigger club than us either.

Well they did chuck in a ticket for a night at the local sheep farm, apparantly demand was overwhelming!

[Top Flight]

Of course QPR have more than 16,000 fans who would pay a reasonable £600 for a Prem League ST.

Why do many fans on these MBs think the club doesn't have fans?

For starters QPR were selling 16000 plus to fans to attend the home games last season especially in the latter stages.

We also know that many 'new' or 'rediscovered' fans would be willing to watch QPR in the Prem League.

Can I remind people on here that 15 years ago Fulham were attracting 3500 to Craven Cottage, and now they attract more than 22,000. Or Wigan who were getting 2,000 10 years ago and now 18,000 or so.

QPR's Tango and Cash have gotten extremely greedy and they are now seeing that fans wont pay stupid prices to watch a Championship squad in and old cramped stadium.

Absolutely. Rangers have got a big fanbase and there is tons of potential there as well. It just needs to be harnessed. We need a new stadium, that is the only way to harness it. If it could be built in the Bush then great. But there isn't really anywhere.

If its not possible to build a new stadium in the Bush, then we can still harness a huge fan base by heading out west where there is a lot of love for QPR and a massive demand to have a proper football club on the door step.

We just need a big, new, fantastic facility with car parking, easy access, good bars and concourses. What a club QPR could be. The way Reading have advanced has been amazing. But Rangers can be so much more. The potential is even greater. Reading are stuck at 18 to 20,000 regular fans. QPR can become more like West Ham and have 30 to 35,000 regular fans, if we get the right facility in the right location with the right prices.

We shouldn't try to be Chelsea or Arsenal. Our potential fanbase are more like the type of people that Reading have been tapping in to. We need to tap into all those people that are all over West London.

[stanistheman]

Absolutely. Rangers have got a big fanbase and there is tons of potential there as well. It just needs to be harnessed. We need a new stadium, that is the only way to harness it. If it could be built in the Bush then great. But there isn't really anywhere.

If its not possible to build a new stadium in the Bush, then we can still harness a huge fan base by heading out west where there is a lot of love for QPR and a massive demand to have a proper football club on the door step.

We just need a big, new, fantastic facility with car parking, easy access, good bars and concourses. What a club QPR could be. The way Reading have advanced has been amazing. But Rangers can be so much more. The potential is even greater. Reading are stuck at 18 to 20,000 regular fans. QPR can become more like West Ham and have 30 to 35,000 regular fans, if we get the right facility in the right location with the right prices.

We shouldn't try to be Chelsea or Arsenal. Our potential fanbase are more like the type of people that Reading have been tapping in to. We need to tap into all those people that are all over West London.

I agree. But the current owners are not interested in the future. They wanst a small boutique fashionable club that attracts rich people. A bit like Monaco.

However, a few words of caution to T&C, Monaco attracted gates of 5-7,000 at their peak and have just been relegated! And West London is not an area of rich habitants as in the South of France.

[Top Flight]

Yeah exactly....

And even if we are earning good money, most of it goes on the bloody mortgage. So we are skint. So charge the right bloody prices.