QPR: home truth's about the fans, owners and the club

[writtler]

sigh...

Just one question - what was the debt before they arrived and what is the debt now?

So long as it is serviced it is ok but given the huge amount that has been spent on the ground and "improving" the squad when the reality is despite all the improvements we haven't actually improved on our league position from 3 years ago and have the second highest wage bill in the division begs an awful lot of questions. Long contracts on high wages for average players is a very questionable business plan and is by and large been based on the advice on the least qualified person for a job in the country.

You COULD suggest that what has been sugested is far from being disillusioned or you could analyse things and come to the very antithesis of this.

eg - you really believe we sold 10000 season tickets?
Better quality of players? maybe but a shocking approach to managers had them performing worse than Holloway's team did in the first year back.
Investment in circa 30 players - at what cost and how many are actually an improvement?
Making the club financially sound again - debts have doubled, wage bill horrendous - despite the sponsors (the bulk of the money kicks in if we go up) - losses at record highs - only serviced as long as they continue to fund it.
Making QPR a force again - sorry but I've always stuck up for us when people have said we are a laughing stock as I think it is throw away term but currently that is exactly what we have become. IMO of course.
Investing in youth system - how exactly? Talk to anyone who has kids there and they'll tell you exactly how bad it is at the moment - yes we may have won something but at what standard?

I could and will at some point go into much more detail but after the weekend I've had simply haven't got the energy but sorry Scottyboy - spin it how you like but personally I believe you have bought into the spin and hype - the club is in a mess - people inside out of the inner sanctum confirm that and some of the stories that emanate from it are quite scary and most don't get to the "hallowed" pages of this m/b.

Talk to people within the industry and they laugh at how we are run and do see us as a meal ticket. FB can't take the blame for that (although he can for a LOT!) as he has relied on a very nice man to advise him in that connection yet whose reputation amongst his peers is something to be believed.

Time of course will see who is right and who is wrong - I give them a few more years before bailing out realising they can't achieve THEIR goals but at what cost to US and what mess will they leave behind?

We shall see...

[baille funk]

As it is their money, and if they didn't have the best interest of the club why would they have invested the amount they have to date, which is significant.

These owners don't fail, give them time.

the same old tired arguements.

they have the best interests of the club at heart? per-lease, don't be so niave. what they have is the best interests of their own money at heart. if that happens to coincide with the best interests of the club then that's great for us. but don't kid yourself.

the owners don't do failure. yawn. how many times have i heard this? the owners have been doing an excellent good job of making fundamental and highly basic business errors so far.

alienate your customer base, price out your customer base, interfere in parts of the business you know nothing about, undermine and sack loyal employees who have the club at heart and may actually know a thing or two about it considering they have worked for it for a significant number of years. spend fortunes on coporate hospitality and end up selling next to none of the boxes because you haven't done your market research. employ and persit with people clearly unfit for purpose in paladini and russell. create a scenario where there is no consistency within the upper levels of management on the football side by constantly sacking people. allow a situation where one of your top employees undermines your manager through the press and gutter snipe websites like this one because his own position is under threat. waste millions on sub standard players on long contracts because your sporting director, who is not fit for purpose, is working with preferred agents against the best interests of the club. and waste 100s of 1000s on sacking managers and paying them off because you haven't got a clue who to employ and no ******** when it comes to the strength of your own convictions.

want me to carry on?

but despite all that, lets all bow down to the GOD OF MONEY and rip the soul out of QPR so we can all get to the PROMISED LAND. remember, people, you're not rangers unless you're relentlessly positive and back the board 100%

sure you're not conners, scotty boy?

[MYU]

In order to do well in no matter what your trying to do, change has to take place, if you keep the same wage structure, same ST prices then we will be going no where as a football club.

Yes QPR is a family club but times have changed and in order to get back to the Premiership I feel the board are doing to right things. I don't want the prices to go up, I don't want to lose that family feel but I do know it's the only way QPR will play top flight football.

[Quaz]

sigh...

Just one question - what was the debt before they arrived and what is the debt now?

So long as it is serviced it is ok but given the huge amount that has been spent on the ground and "improving" the squad when the reality is despite all the improvements we haven't actually improved on our league position from 3 years ago and have the second highest wage bill in the division begs an awful lot of questions. Long contracts on high wages for average players is a very questionable business plan and is by and large been based on the advice on the least qualified person for a job in the country.

You COULD suggest that what has been sugested is far from being disillusioned or you could analyse things and come to the very antithesis of this.

eg - you really believe we sold 10000 season tickets?
Better quality of players? maybe but a shocking approach to managers had them performing worse than Holloway's team did in the first year back.
Investment in circa 30 players - at what cost and how many are actually an improvement?
Making the club financially sound again - debts have doubled, wage bill horrendous - despite the sponsors (the bulk of the money kicks in if we go up) - losses at record highs - only serviced as long as they continue to fund it.
Making QPR a force again - sorry but I've always stuck up for us when people have said we are a laughing stock as I think it is throw away term but currently that is exactly what we have become. IMO of course.
Investing in youth system - how exactly? Talk to anyone who has kids there and they'll tell you exactly how bad it is at the moment - yes we may have won something but at what standard?

I could and will at some point go into much more detail but after the weekend I've had simply haven't got the energy but sorry Scottyboy - spin it how you like but personally I believe you have bought into the spin and hype - the club is in a mess - people inside out of the inner sanctum confirm that and some of the stories that emanate from it are quite scary and most don't get to the "hallowed" pages of this m/b.

Talk to people within the industry and they laugh at how we are run and do see us as a meal ticket. FB can't take the blame for that (although he can for a LOT!) as he has relied on a very nice man to advise him in that connection yet whose reputation amongst his peers is something to be believed.

Time of course will see who is right and who is wrong - I give them a few more years before bailing out realising they can't achieve THEIR goals but at what cost to US and what mess will they leave behind?

We shall see...

the same old tired arguements.

they have the best interests of the club at heart? per-lease, don't be so niave. what they have is the best interests of their own money at heart. if that happens to coincide with the best interests of the club then that's great for us. but don't kid yourself.

the owners don't do failure. yawn. how many times have i heard this? the owners have been doing an excellent good job of making fundamental and highly basic business errors so far.

alienate your customer base, price out your customer base, interfere in parts of the business you know nothing about, undermine and sack loyal employees who have the club at heart and may actually know a thing or two about it considering they have worked for it for a significant number of years. spend fortunes on coporate hospitality and end up selling next to none of the boxes because you haven't done your market research. employ and persit with people clearly unfit for purpose in paladini and russell. create a scenario where there is no consistency within the upper levels of management on the football side by constantly sacking people. allow a situation where one of your top employees undermines your manager through the press and gutter snipe websites like this one because his own position is under threat. waste millions on sub standard players on long contracts because your sporting director, who is not fit for purpose, is working with preferred agents against the best interests of the club. and waste 100s of 1000s on sacking managers and paying them off because you haven't got a clue who to employ and no ******** when it comes to the strength of your own convictions.

want me to carry on?

but despite all that, lets all bow down to the GOD OF MONEY and rip the soul out of QPR so we can all get to the PROMISED LAND. remember, people, you're not rangers unless you're relentlessly positive and back the board 100%

sure you're not conners, scotty boy?

had to quote both as its nice to at least see 2 other supporters who actually went to specsavers and can actually see the reality taking place

[THE FLYING COW]

well

well im a bit confused

[Quaz]

well im a bit confused

i bet it don't take much for that to happen;D

[The Merry Ploughboy]

the posts by Writtler and Baille Funk are bang on the money and not blinkered bull**** by "the board can do no wrong" brigade

[Tracy]

the posts by Writtler and Baille Funk are bang on the money and not blinkered bull**** by "the board can do no wrong" brigade

Seconded

[paulmason]

Writtler and Baille Funk, excellent summary of the situation.

[stanistheman]

Well said Scottyboy.

I am not very happy with the ST price, nor was Magiliton my preferred choice as manager.

However, FB and Co. have put money into the club and are entitled to have input and ask questions if things don't go according to plan.

They have made significant improvements in their 20 months at the club and last season QPR were never in with a chance of going down, but instead spent the whole season looking at making a play-off challenge.

The squad is much better than it has been for more than a decade and the club's business partners are a vast improvement on Car Giant, Sellotape, Le Coq de Sportif, and previous ones such as Binatone and JD Sports.

I am more than happy to have FB, BE and LM on the Board than anyone since David Bulstrode.

[scottyboy007]

Quote:
Originally Posted by adethesunburyranger
the posts by Writtler and Baille Funk are bang on the money and not blinkered bull**** by "the board can do no wrong" brigade

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"the board can do no wrong" - As far as I recall I have not made this statement, not sure anyone on this board has made this statement either. We are all aware and would admit that the board have made mistakes, but its no real sin to make a mistake, I am more interested to understand how they will be correcting the mistakes they have made.

Writtler and Baille Funk posts do not provide a fair or factual position on where we have come from since the owners took over. It is very easy to criticize and pick on points. But neither post actually addresses the points in full that I made in both of my previous posts. I could comment on each of the points raised by writter and baille funch, as frankly majority is either rubbish or contradictory. E.G. one said we were a laughing stock...... well compared to 3 years, i very much doubt it. We no longer see and read about the training gates being locked, unpaid bills to the inland revenue and other suppliers of the club, training ground fights with national teams, board room gun allegations, board room struggles with people being flown in to eject directors from power, whether the club would continue and see the next fixture through, the list goes on.

The point that is being made by the "POSITIVE" mb members is that the club has come a long way since the owners acquired the club and feel we will continue to make progress. We are not saying everything is rosy, but a far better position than ever before to get back to the premiership.

Things have changed for the better, my view of course.

[conners]

Scotty Boy, a top top post. I have been banging on about similar stuff for ages on other message boards and have taken a good kick, however, the long and short of it is that Briatore and Co have put their money where there mouth is, the team is 13 places higher in the league and we have a far brighter future than the likes of Southampton.

My only hope is that some *****ic fans don't ruin it for all by forcing these guys out.
Yes, they have made mistakes ,but in my book, far more positives and all we have had to pay is about £200 for what in effect was to see our club survive in the CHampionship.

We are so lucky to have these guys. IF we give them our support, QPR will take off once again.

It is in our hands. If we continue to vote with our feet and not attend, these guys will eventually walk away. We will be playing non league within years.

We need to stop being greedy and embrace the dream we have been hoping for. It arrived after all that pain.

Stay positive. Well done to all you other fans who support scottyboy. We need to win over the moaners.

Make QPR a nice place to go to.

[stanistheman]

Queen once sang:

I want it all, I want it all, I want it all
and I want it now.

Perhaps QPR can adopt that song and play it as the teams run out for each home game.

[qprgentina]

the posts by Writtler and Baille Funk are bang on the money and not blinkered bull**** by "the board can do no wrong" brigade

Wrong. Such a brigade doesn't exist. I don't think there is one QPR fan that would say that the current board have not made any mistakes or done anything wrong. In contrast to those that only paint a bleak picture and only highlight the negatives the other side always seem to state the fact that the board have made mistakes, which is pretty bleedin obvious and to suggest otherwise, as you have, is wrong, imo.

The two posts in question are two good examples of where we have gone and are still going wrong and you can't disagree with them in many ways but you also need to look at the positives because, believe it or not, there are some.

[Receed R]

numpties out asap