Do we fans have a part to play in this Faurlin transfer saga?

[W12_Ranger]

I'm basing my thoughts on the most recent tweets from Paul Smith.

Ever since the billionaires came in we demanded a marqee signing, screamed abuse at Briatore and Eccelstone to spend money at matches, moaned day in day out about transfer budgets on messageboards and talked about ridiculous transfer targets on a regular basis.

I'm by no means blaming the fans here, honesty after all is the best policy and the club cetainly lacked any sort of transparency during the early days of the takeover. However, does anyone else feel the weight of expectation and impatience of fans had a role to play in all this. Has it taught us anything going into the new season as a Premiership club?

[paulmason]

Ever since the billionaires came in we demanded a marqee signing, screamed abuse at Briatore and Eccelstone to spend money at matches, moaned day in day out about transfer budgets on messageboards and talked about ridiculous transfer targets on a regular basis

What a stupid thing to say as 'the billionaires' put the prices up and said it was to pay for what you say the fans demanded, raising everyone's expectations and if any one asked for something, it was only for what they were promised when they arrived.

[W12_Ranger]

What a stupid thing to say as 'the billionaires' put the prices up and siad it was to pay for what you say the fans demanded.

Typical response from you Mason without looking at the bigger picture.

I can quite easily state how the owners time and time again said 'we are not a rich club we just have rich owners' so in a sense that should hae told us everything we needed to know.

I'm not blaming the fans I asking do we have a responsibility? If you listen to the tone of Jordons voice in his interview on TalkSport yesterday he gave me that impression as to us inflating the fee to appease the fans.....I think its a logical question, you in all your worldly wisdom may not but I'm sure there will be a few others along to balance that view.

Edit: Furthermore to your update, there had to reach a point in my view when fans neded to start applying a bit of common sense and realise these guys were not going to spend the momey. Instead much off our fan base you included chose to beat them with this stick at every opportunity. It was wrong for Briatore to make them promises but even after nearly 3 years fas were still talking about big budgets when it should of become clear it was never going to happen.

[paulmason]

The bigger picture is that lots of people were priced out for the dream them never happened. Also, it was not the fans who lied to the club about how much they paid for Faurlin was it, it was something the club decided to do to deceive fans that they did have ambition, to help flagging ST sales.

[W12_Ranger]

The bigger picture is that lots of people were priced out for the dream them never happened. Also, it was not the fans who lied to the club about how much they paid for Faurlin was it, it was something the club decided to do, to prove a point to fans that they did have ambition, to help flagging ST sales.

Exactly, because the £6 million spent in Jan 2008 was not ambitious enough nor was players on big wages (ill spent by GP in many cases). The weight of expectation was ridiculous, will ST price increases this season have fans demanding £10 million signings because we are in the Prem?

I going to have to stop you as well before you predictably try to say I'm blaming the fans here as I'm not. What I am saying is were we responsible in trying to make the board appease us? Should we have been more aware of more of the huge financial losses the club had been making for instance or that a club our size would need to hike up ST prices just to compete with the big boys...I personally think we should have.

The best way the club finally appeased the fans was to bring in Warnock, it wasn't players on large fees. What the Board did was wrong inflating Faurlins fee, it was a stupid thing to do.

[2touch]

I agree with Paul. We have no responsibility in the running of the club, officials are not elected and we have no say in anything other than voting with our feet in agreement or disagreement with prices.

[W12_Ranger]

I agree with Paul. We have no responsibility in the running of the club, officials are not elected and we have no say in anything other than voting with our feet in agreement or disagreement with prices.

Paul is being difficult because thats what he does, no one is saying we are responsible in running the club. The question is did we play our part in the whole affair (indirectly off course because we don't sit on The Board)?

[2touch]

Absolutely not! No fan wanted us to do anything dodgy.

[W12_Ranger]

Absolutely not! No fan wanted us to do anything dodgy.

I give up, clealry got the wrong end of the stick.

[paulmason]

Having an opinion that is different to your ramblings is being difficult. Did you work for the Gestapo in a previous life ?

[2touch]

I give up, clealry got the wrong end of the stick.

I don"t think so. We wanted our rich owners to spend a bit of money, and back up their claims of qualifying for the CL with new signings.

[W12_Ranger]

I don"t think so. We wanted our rich owners to spend a bit of money, and back up their claims of qualifying for the CL with new signings.

As I said maybe I'm different but I just think we should have taking such promises with a pinch of salt. Lets be real if you bought into the CL promise then you really are a bit daft.

[EYR]

Sort of agree we wanted to see some big money spent and here the board got to look good at less than half the price.

As said they over egged the price abit too much as nobody actually believed this £3.5m deal existed.

* on a side note £600k for Faurlin what a f**king steal!!!!

[2touch]

As I said maybe I'm different but I just think we should have taking such promises with a pinch of salt. Lets be real if you bought into the CL promise then you really are a bit daft.

Pretty sad that we should never believe any promises from the board though isn't it. That's no way to run a business or football club!

[W12_Ranger]

Pretty sad that we should never believe any promises from the board though isn't it. That's no way to run a business or football club!

What is sad is being made promises which can't be believed in the first place.

What is just as bad is taking unrealistic promises at face value, then you really have to start questioning your own common sense.

The past 3.5 years has been one big learning curve for The Board on first 'how not to run a football club' to 'how to run a football club'.