A worrying read?

[Factamondo]

Er... Why would he love Rangers?

he;s a double adaptor!!!

[terry ball]

Looks like the paladini spin machine has managed to brainwash the majority of posters on this site. We are in the shite and as much as the club is playing it down, I personally wouldn't be surprised to see them punish us hard. Forget all these "precedents" from the likes of Swindon and Bristol city, each Case will be dealt with on merit. If the fa were worried of disrupting the play offs and a lengthy legal Case then this would of been dealt with informally. They have decided to take the formal route so in my opinion they must be looking at ****ing us over. I just hope paladini has covered his tracks and that nothing crops up at the hearing that can ruin the greatest season I've ever experienced.

Ur'ssss

[Ric-Roc]

Just read this, even more worrying;


I've worked over 20 years in football administration so I know how Associations view these things and in respect of 3rd party ownership QPR are guilty of breaching the rules it's that simple. What punishment will they get we will find out next week but IMO it will not a fine.

I'm not as sure that they will be found guilty of using or attempting to use an unlicensed agent because they either did or the didn't this ATTEMPTED thing seems a bit weak to me. But if the case is proven expect a 10 point deduction.

QPR are guilty of submitting registration documents to the FA in July 2009 that didn't contain FULL disclosure of the 3rd Party Ownership of Faurlin. This is NOT in doubt as when the club submitted contract extension paperwork in October 2010 this 3rd Party ownership situation was discovered, since then the FA have allowed QPR to buy out the 3rd party ownership in line with their reuglations.

But this doesn't change the FACT that Faurlin was not owned by QPR but by a 3rd Party when the original contract documents were submitted in July 2009. The fact the club issued a statement saying "Both QPR and Mr Paladini are confident that there has been no deliberate wrong doing involved" is admitting that they have broken FA regulations just that they didn't mean to do it. Woops

In the scheme of things their No Deliberate Wrong doing quote will count for nothing the club HAS broken FA Regulations.

It is also clear as a result that QPR are in breach of FL Regulation 40.1 regarding the accuracy of registration documents which will mean the registration is null and void and the player was ineligible to play.

These matters of FACT will be considered by the FA Regulatory Commission during the hearing next week but believe me this No Deliberate Wrong Doing or Woops defence will not work. The only possible conclusion is a guilty verdict and that decision will be made by the FA Commission and absolutely NO COURTS will be involved in the process.

I think a week Friday the FA will have the big stick out and they will be beating QPR with it absolutely no doubt in my mind

A lot of it goes over my head but I can't lie I'm worried where as I wasn't before

[Kirill]

Looks like the paladini spin machine has managed to brainwash the majority of posters on this site.

Strangely enough not me, but then I was born a pessimist and will die a pessimist. We finally agree on something, I only wish it was something else.

[singingranger]

Our owners have deep deep pockets, they could legally make this last for ages, I can't see a points reduction I really can't!

Let's get the point we need Saturday and enjoy!

[swanleyhoop]

Still can't see why we should be deducted points for using an unlicensed agent when there is no precedent for this other than a fine.
And, actually, he is wrong -- we told the FL about the 3rd party ownership in September when the rule came into force, who then passed it up to the FA -- the "3rd party ownership situation" wasn't 'discovered' in October, we'd told the FL about it ourselves more than a month beforehand. We were transparent at that point.

And, had Faurlin been ineligible, the FL would have stepped in and banned him immediately -- the club have already stated that the FA have said AF was eligible for all the matches he played.

There are quite a few flaws in the above report -- he may well have worked in football admin, but so did my mum! She is no more a member of the FA, nor privvy to all this, than he probably is.
It doesn't say who this person is -- but, if he is a Cardiff or Norwich fan, he seems to be distorting the truth to build a spurious case for deduction for his fellow fans to clutch at.

[vblockranger]

we wont know anything till May 6th and its pointless celebrating promotion till after the enquiry's decision...
win or draw Saturday and we will still have to wait till the following Friday to find out if we have something worth celebrating.

[swanleyhoop]

Oh, and btw, we haven't been charged for a breach of FL rule no. 40 AT ALL.
Or any FL rules, for that matter.
So that blows the "null and void" registration idea straight out of the water.
A couple of his points are very much his opinion, clearly.

I can't help thinking that it would be far better if people didn't cut and paste these things from other clubs' websites (which is where I assume it has come from) -- it's just worrying people unnecessarily and is starting to have an even more negative impact on people's well-being than the whole situation is bringing anyway.
We can only wait.

Just stay on OUR MB's and talk to OUR fans -- we might then all be able to be a little calmer, as the whole thing is starting to approach hysteria in some posts.

[Ric-Roc]

we wont know anything till May 6th and its pointless celebrating promotion till after the enquiry's decision...
win or draw Saturday and we will still have to wait till the following Friday to find out if we have something worth celebrating.

The sad sad sad thing is you are 100& right.

[Sotonian Ranger]

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index...0ca69b531c6b86

It seems to me that the whole QPR points deduction scenario is one coloured by uncertainty about what the implications would if a points deduction were imposed and to that end, depending on which camp you're in, whether you're an optimist or pessimist, or whether you are prone to clutching at straws will determine how you view the scenario.

Most people, I think sensibly, have adopted the bury the head in the sand philosophy and will wait and see with everyone committing to "getting as many points as we can".

Before our game with QPR on Saturday the BBC were reporting that they "understood" that QPR will ultimately be fined and not face a points deduction, and indeed the QPR spin machine has been engaging in a full on assault since the charges were brought to push the message that they would not be getting a points deduction.

I must confess to have only taking a passing interest in the QPR story when it broke in March, but as we reach the climax of the season my interest was piqued and I have spent several hours researching the allegations, reading the FA website, reading news reports and reading blog reports of several fan websites including our own, QPR's and Crystal Palace's who's fans have taken great interest in the plight of their local rivals, particularly after their own points deduction last season.

My conclusions should give QPR fans real concern and should only lead to one possible outcome, and are as follows:

1. The charges faced by QPR are extremely serious and are fundamentally two-fold. That they broke third party player ownership rules that were clearly established and made clear to all clubs after the Tevez affair, and that (in my view more seriously) they then attempted to cover up this breach in October 2010 by submitting falsified documents to the FA.
2. Alot of people compare the QPR situation to West Ham's with Tevez, however when charged West Ham held their hands up immediately and many feel this helped them avoid a points deduction, plus there was never any real suggestion of attempted fraud, ultimately it was found that they had broken the rules but, lets say, they had perhaps been naive of the rules. QPR on the other hand have refuted the claims the FA have brought (which as we have seen with Rooney recently doesn't go down well with the FA), and we have the added issue of an attempted fraud.
3. This fraud element moves this (in my view) into a very different scenario and one which people haven't suggested as a comparison, but here goes 1990 Swindon Town. If you're not old enough to remember Swindon won promotion from what became the Championship to what would become the Premier League via the play-offs but were found guilty of making illegal payments to players and a few weeks later were relegated two divisions by the FA this was later reduced to a one division relegation and they found themselves back in the Championship.
4. It is this precedent that I feel will mean that QPR will face a points deduction at least.
5. Many people have said that the FA have screwed up by delaying the decision until the last week of the season, I think this is entirely deliberate and is ultimately the right way to have handled this - consider the Swindon example from 1990. The charges against Swindon were identified well before the end of season playoffs but the FA sensibly allowed the season to run its course with all teams trying their best. Some might say it was cruel to Swindon fans to let them experience promotion however had they lost the playoffs presumably they would have been relegated to what became League One, instead of back to the Championship i.e the faced a one division relegation as their penalty regardless of how they finished up. I think the FA are using this as a precedent, to give no indication of a points deduction so that all teams play to their potential without bringing the integrity of this Championship season into question. QPR may need to gain promotion to the Premier League in order that they are relegated back to the Championship and not League One as with the Swindon case.
6. Consider if QPR had been given a 10 point, 30 point or even a relegation as a punishment announced in March. How would this have affected their own players approach to remaining matches and what impact would that have had on the points earned by the teams they later played who could have had an unfair advantage playing against a team that had psychologically imploded. Far more sensible to delay any announcement so that everyone assumes no points will be deducted, so the chasing pack give it their all and assume that 3rd place misses auto-promotion, and 7th place misses the play-offs. This would ensure that no one can have any complaints of unfair advantage when a decision is made.
7. Also if a relegation is the penalty imposed then if this had been announced in March it would have meant QPR would have had to gain promotion to the Premier League to ensure they stayed in the Championship. This would clearly be an intolerable position to put them in at that time or indeed for the other clubs so the FA, by delaying the decision, have ensured the integrity of the season, and also giving a massive hidden clue that a points deduction at least is guaranteed. Consider the alternative, if it was just a fine then impose it now, why wait?
8. Points deductions are imposed for far less serious offences. A club going into administration, which mostly happens due to mismanagement and not fraud guarantees a 10 point deduction. Luton Town were deducted 10 points for illegal agent payments and a further 20 points for issues around their administration status. This effectively relegated them out of the Football League! QPR should be looking at a minimum 10 point penalty plus an additional penalty for attempting to deceive the FA. The treatment of Luton Town demonstrates that the FA will impose the rules ruthlessly regardless of the implications to the punished club. Hereford and Torquay were deducted 3 points and 1 point respectively for each fielding an illegible player in their match on 1st February. This was the day after the transfer window closed and basically resulted from clerical errors in the form filling process of players signed in the last few hours of the transfer window. So a **** up, not fraud, but resulted in points being docked. If QPR don't get a points deduction for what they have done then it will fly in the face of the precedent set down to all other clubs.
9. In summary then I believe QPR will face something like a 30 point penalty deduction, as that is the scale of the seriousness of the offences, which assuming they fill one of the top two slots will equate to a relegation. All this talk of legal cases are a smoke screen. The FA have QPR bang to rights and determining the penalty is all that needs to be agreed. They are going to take a very dim view of the attempt to deceive them, as they did with Luton Town.
10. A 30 point deduction would place QPR out of even the play off mix, allowing for the playoffs to proceed unhindered.

Finally if I am right about this then................. a win against Boro on Monday (or Swansea and Reading both failing to win on Saturday)and the Bluebirds are heading to the Premier League!

If your team had played a little bit better and been just a little bit more consistant this season you could have saved yourself a lot of time by not having to come up with all this blarney to give yourself small hope!

[swanleyhoop]

If your team had played a little bit better and been just a little bit more consistant this season you could have saved yourself a lot of time by not having to come up with all this blarney to give yourself small hope!

*clappy round-of-applause smiley*

[waterbuffalo]

deduct 4 million points, I don't care anymore because I know it is not going to happen.

[qblockpete]

Terry Ball not about any spin machine.

I'ved listened to Neil Warnock intently he is not worried. Obviously with the hearing pending no-one can say how they actually feel.


If people want to believe a poster on a Cardiff City forum than thats up to them.

They have blown promotion, can understand they are clutching at all straws available

[Ric-Roc]

If people want to believe a poster on a Cardiff City forum than thats up to them.

They have blown promotion, can understand they are clutching at all straws available

Very true

[Scarlet pimple]

Why the phark are members of this board copying and pasting anti QPR propaganda on here from the message boards of clubs who's vested intrest is to see us pharked by the fa, they are the one's who are worrid cos one of the two clubs behind us are going to have to go into the play offs.

And guess what, it looks like cardiff will, and who will they prob have to play........the team thats already beaten them twice this season, and cardiff fans are shoiting themselfs.