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  • #16
    Currently this current team will not survive in the PL. Ultimately it will depend on what BE or new owners decides to do money wise. My guess is that we will see 7/8 incoming and outgoing. We won't be able to loan past Sep 1st so there are new rules. I would wager we will spend what's needed to survive comfortably, whether we do is another matter.

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    • #17
      This team is comparable to WBA and they could go down or might stay up.

      I wouldn't midn a season like Newcastle, but in all fairness they had kept hold of quite a few proven premiership players

      We do need to improve the team and squad, not entirely but 3-4 additions
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      • #18
        WBA is a good example and they would have gone down if pretty boy stayed the manager, but they hired Roy Hodgson and they will now stay up.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by qblockpete View Post
          We do need to improve the team and squad, not entirely but 3-4 additions
          That's what it will be, too many will Fk it up.

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          • #20
            this division is not as strong as in previous seasons. teams that normally go down from the premiership are in with a shout of a return(so called yo-yo clubs)-they did'nt this season because they were very poor teams not because this league is a good one. newcastle/west brom etc would have finished closer to us or above. having two teams coming up from the first and getting into the playoffs will tell you that the quality of this seasons npc is weaker than other years. we have been this years standout team and deservedly so and i'm in no way making a judgement on our own merits but to think this squad of players will survive without quite serious strenthening is foolish. on our day we can compete with a lot of teams up above but over a long season we would be in trouble. i trust neils judgement on players so it might not have to cost us the earth but we will need new blood in to go with our better players. having the amount of clean sheets with our back four this term is one thing but those same players would get exposed for what they are....championship level. our main assets next season will be the midfield players we have,our keeper and helg. to stay up we need investment in our squad.
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            • #21
              we can afford lots of players if NW gets the right freebies in, we only have to pay wages. 6 at £50,000 a week is only about £15m.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by factamondo View Post
                sorry to rain on your parade but this team/squad is 'not' good enough for the premier league....this has been one of the weakest championships for many a year and we are worthy winners due to being the most consistent...but the premier league is light years ahead of the npc in terms of quality within it.....im sorry but the likes of gorrkks/orr/hill/connolly/ramage/aggymang etc will not get a sniff in the pl.....im not saying we cant compeat but look at blackpool and see how hard it is to survive.....are we currently better than them....hand on heart id say no......the premier league is unforgiving for those who enter it unprepared and the joy of getting there soon turns into a harsh real;ity!!
                Your wrong the NPC is not weaker this year it has a better quality player this season than any other I can remember. I think you are massively over-rating the PL take the Top 6 teams away and it looks like a pretty even playing field to me.

                TEN POINTS separate 7th-20th in the PL hardly unforgiving, based on a couple of posts on here the PL and NPC are both significantly weaker this season despite wage bills being at there highest for both leagues???

                I'm looking at Blackpool they have won 9 games this season, they should be doing a Derby but they are holding their own....2 wins and they are out of it!

                The gulf between the 2 leagues is nothing now, Top 6 (NPC) and Bottom 6-8 (PL) no difference to me. Just because you pay someone £50k a week doesn't make them a great footballer, it takes a lot more than to survive nowadays.

                I find it remarkable that you can dismiss a defence which has achieved 23 clean sheets as not good enough. The way people talk about the PL you'd think it was not possible for teams like QPR to compete. Under Warnock we are prepared, the club have the infrastructure and experience in place.

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                • #23
                  As I said before in case you mised it - we need another RB, LB, CB, Winger, CM and CF. Some as cover but the one's in bold I think will probably need to be 1st players. All don't have to be world beaters but decent replacements if called upon. I am not dismissing a defence that has conceeded 23 goals. Walker was immense at RB and Orr isn't half his replacement. He will get destroyed in the PL. Hill will be another year older and we do not have any cover in his position either (Chimbonda is no better). We have also had a lot of very shoddy moments in central defence and you won't get away with half the mistakes we've made this term in the next tier. That's the difference as you go up divisions is the mistakes are punished greater. Kenny has also been immense and bailed us out on numerous occasions.

                  Wouldn't be a loss if Clarke, Rowlands, Miller, Chimp, Shittu, Rambo, German, Mahon, Hulse, Ephraim, Borrowdale, Rose, Parker, Tofas, Vaan Moen, Agyemang & Leigertwood all went. Routs is still questionable in my book as I'd prefer Sinclair from Swansea.
                  Last edited by Dazzer1977; 05-04-2011, 04:50 PM.

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                  • #24
                    I would suggest the reason the top 5 or 6 teams in the PL have lost more games is because lower teams are not sitting back and waiting to be slaughtered any more. Ollie's proof of that.

                    To put it another way, NW will spend, and he will spend to replace weaknesses.
                    Last edited by Olly; 05-04-2011, 04:51 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dazzer1977 View Post
                      As I said before in case you mised it - we need another RB, LB, CB, Winger, CM and CF. Some as cover but the one's in bold I think will probably need to be 1st players. All don't have to be world beaters but decent replacements if called upon.

                      Wouldn't be a loss if Clarke, Rowlands, Miller, Chimp, Shittu, Rambo, German, Mahon, Hulse, Ephraim, Borrowdale, Rose, Parker, Tofas, Vaan Moen, Agyemang & Leigertwood all went. Routs is still questionable in my book as I'd prefer Sinclair from Swansea.
                      None of these hardly play Dazzer anyway, all the positions you have mentioned we do need to to look at. However, 2 positions people keep highlighting which I think we are being harsh on are the FB's. I really think the likes of Hill and Orr could make the step up. We tend to overlook what they are there for and that is to defend and defensively both have barely put a foot wrong all season. You'll be surprised how many of the current starting 11 are capable of raising their games at the higher level as well. Rome was not built in a day as they say and it will take a few seasons to assemble a team like the one we had in the early 90's. If we start messing about with the starting 11 by bringing in 5 new players we could end up lacking cohesion which may impact on team moral. The spirit players like Hill, Kenny & Derry bring is what will keep us up and having Warnock in our corner will win us points at times purely based on his presence on the touchline.

                      Its the squad which may require bigger improvements over the starting 11 in my view.

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                      • #26
                        Good stuff General, and I agree with your sentiments.
                        Warnock is loyal as well and this team will get a crack at it.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by factamondo View Post
                          sorry to rain on your parade but this team/squad is 'not' good enough for the premier league....this has been one of the weakest championships for many a year and we are worthy winners due to being the most consistent...but the premier league is light years ahead of the npc in terms of quality within it.....im sorry but the likes of gorrkks/orr/hill/connolly/ramage/aggymang etc will not get a sniff in the pl.....im not saying we cant compeat but look at blackpool and see how hard it is to survive.....are we currently better than them....hand on heart id say no......the premier league is unforgiving for those who enter it unprepared and the joy of getting there soon turns into a harsh real;ity!!
                          totally agree, what we got at the moment would be in a relegation battle, that's not what the board want, so 3-4 quality additions to put us in the top half is what is required
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by lymehoop View Post
                            totally agree, what we got at the moment would be in a relegation battle, that's not what the board want, so 3-4 quality additions to put us in the top half is what is required
                            Arguably 13 of the 20 Prem teams are in a relegation battle and with this squad or even if we spent 20 mill we'd still be in a battle to stay up. How much are the likes of Bent, Young and Downing worth and look at where Villa are.

                            Consistency and stability have been key this season and would be in the Premiership. This squad will score goals and keep clean sheets against whichever teams come up and whichever teams stay up even if the top 6 beat us home and away.

                            Three or four additions to strengthen the squad is all that's needed and I'd look no further than the championship to bring those players in.

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                            • #29
                              Totally deluded.

                              The team needs major investment to compete in the PL, and thankfully the people that matter know this.

                              Only 4 or 5 of the current team are anywhere near good enough. The only way we could keep the current team/squad, was if we had a tried and tested playing style like arsenal, we dont, so end of.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by highgradeR View Post
                                Totally deluded.

                                The team needs major investment to compete in the PL, and thankfully the people that matter know this.

                                Only 4 or 5 of the current team are anywhere near good enough. The only way we could keep the current team/squad, was if we had a tried and tested playing style like arsenal, we dont, so end of.
                                Backward opinion you have in my view....pretty clueless to be fair. You'll be disappointed when the time comes that your views on 'major investment' will be some way off the mark.
                                Last edited by The White City General; 05-04-2011, 06:41 PM.

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