What exactly do people want???

[barnethoop]

So Sousa got the boot rightly or wrongly and the general concencus was that we needed a British manager who was succesful and knew the CCC.

Now for a start, any manager who is any good either gets there team promoted or gets snapped up by a Prem club so they are not going to drop down.

Secondly, everyone wants someone who knows the CCC inside out. Well the likes of Magilton, Pardew etc etc have played/managed in the league for years so they know all about it. We all changed our mind on that one aswell.

Thirdly we wanted British. Now we have gone through every British option and either dont like 'the style of football they play' or 'there record' managing in most cases much poorer side.

So now we are back having done the full circle on De Canio. De Canio did very well in that spell from about November till roughly February which obviously coincided with the take over hipe and the purchase of rumored to be £6million worth of players. I notice the football we played in a few games overshadows the dross that was on show at some points. Also id love to know the last time a manager returned to a club he was previously 'successfull' with and repeated that form, I cant think of many.

Personally, I feel the answer lies less with the manager then we think. I believe had Dowie or Sousa been in charge for a full season we would have finished alot higher then we did. But with the high profile owners and at times demanding fans the pressure is on the 'management' after only a few bad results or performances.

It seems that Flavio wants to build a more united 'management team' which is what i suppose we had under De Canio. This being where everyone in that little set up gets along and works together. We all know that the manger (oh sorry i ment coach) is not going to be able to bring in the players he wants so we need someone who is going to work with the buyer of players (sorry i cant remember the proper job title) and unfortunatly this has never been the way British football has worked. Alot of people always say that it works very well on the continent, well please give me one example. If you are even thinking about Real Madrid, please remember that we are not buying the likes of Ronaldo, Zidane, Figo and Beckham here.

Anyway, thats enough for the moment but please leave your comments and we can start what might be a intellectual debate.

[Robsondinho]

Good post.

[fazer vic]

very well put sir.

[rblockells]

good post

However

If Paolo Sousa had been given time and a fully fit squad,I believe he would have succeeded.

[barnethoop]

good post

However

If Paolo Sousa had been given time and a fully fit squad,I believe he would have succeeded.

Sorry, thought i said but that is my view aswell.

[The Merry Ploughboy]

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[rblockells]

sorry, thought i said but that is my view aswell.

spot on

[qblockpete]

Barcelona are a good example of how it works...

Seriously, I have said before if we have a proven CCC manager, I have no problem with him selecting/buying the players he wants. You will see around the championship many managers who have come into criticism of buying players, former favourite to take over was one in Jim Magilton. Chairman gave him a bit to spend and he didn;t spend it well. if you ask West ham fans they would say the same about Pardew and Dowie has not got a great record when money was at his disposal.

We fell below expectation and for that reason its easy to blame the perceived person who buys the players, but we do know Sousa wanted Routledge and Dowie wanted Borrowdale by the players accounts(just examples), so its not all down to one person. I just wish GP had not been given the title of sporting director as I think he is less influential in buying the players for the club, but more the sort of sales person that sells the club to the player, once interest has been shown. True, we brought in cerny and Ramage before a new manager arrived, but we lost out on Watson by waiting so you could say you cannot win them all. Of course, we had injuries at the wrong time and everyone makes mistakes. Personally, I have maintained, not sure we have fight, spirit and leaders on the pitch. I'm sure we have the ability and on paper this is a strong squad, but as Newcastle have found out to their cost, it doesn't always work like that, A look at Burnley FC and you will see what team spirit means. Thats just my opinion.

Changing managers does lead to instability and in a way, I think we were unlucky that was Dowie/Sousa as opposed to Sousa then Dowie as i think we may have made it. I will never buy the idea that Sousa should have been given time, as I simply was bored to tears watching that style of football. That was the very reason I posted on and on about the tactics and changing of formations, because I was totally peeved off with it all.

As for the appointment of De Canio, my gut feeling on why people are against is that its the people who have made things clear in the past about GP. Separate those two factors and I cannot find an argument against the brand of football that we were playing. It was attractive to watch and games were exciting and in the mould of QPR over the years good football played on the floor, with good passing. I still maintain, I get the impression that some players would be against a return and I think that counts for alot and thats why I fully expect a British manager. Up to recently, that was going to be Jim Magilton (whatever anyone else wants to say), but the delay indicates econd thoughts. Make no mistake the next appointment is the most important for Rangers in decades. Fans turned on Flavio end of last season as its natural to be frustrated and angry that in 12 months we had not moved forward on the pitch. I suspect Flavio is mulling over exactly what to do and with his nature to make surprise decisions, you just never know what is around the corner.

[Receed R]

Barcelona are a good example of how it works...

Seriously, I have said before if we have a proven CCC manager, I have no problem with him selecting/buying the players he wants. You will see around the championship many managers who have come into criticism of buying players, former favourite to take over was one in Jim Magilton. Chairman gave him a bit to spend and he didn;t spend it well. if you ask West ham fans they would say the same about Pardew and Dowie has not got a great record when money was at his disposal.

We fell below expectation and for that reason its easy to blame the perceived person who buys the players, but we do know Sousa wanted Routledge and Dowie wanted Borrowdale by the players accounts(just examples), so its not all down to one person. I just wish GP had not been given the title of sporting director as I think he is less influential in buying the players for the club, but more the sort of sales person that sells the club to the player, once interest has been shown. True, we brought in cerny and Ramage before a new manager arrived, but we lost out on Watson by waiting so you could say you cannot win them all. Of course, we had injuries at the wrong time and everyone makes mistakes. Personally, I have maintained, not sure we have fight, spirit and leaders on the pitch. I'm sure we have the ability and on paper this is a strong squad, but as Newcastle have found out to their cost, it doesn't always work like that, A look at Burnley FC and you will see what team spirit means. Thats just my opinion.

Changing managers does lead to instability and in a way, I think we were unlucky that was Dowie/Sousa as opposed to Sousa then Dowie as i think we may have made it. I will never buy the idea that Sousa should have been given time, as I simply was bored to tears watching that style of football. That was the very reason I posted on and on about the tactics and changing of formations, because I was totally peeved off with it all.

As for the appointment of De Canio, my gut feeling on why people are against is that its the people who have made things clear in the past about GP. Separate those two factors and I cannot find an argument against the brand of football that we were playing. It was attractive to watch and games were exciting and in the mould of QPR over the years good football played on the floor, with good passing. I still maintain, I get the impression that some players would be against a return and I think that counts for alot and thats why I fully expect a British manager. Up to recently, that was going to be Jim Magilton (whatever anyone else wants to say), but the delay indicates econd thoughts. Make no mistake the next appointment is the most important for Rangers in decades. Fans turned on Flavio end of last season as its natural to be frustrated and angry that in 12 months we had not moved forward on the pitch. I suspect Flavio is mulling over exactly what to do and with his nature to make surprise decisions, you just never know what is around the corner.

good post

[Hoops]

Let's hope for all our sakes it is not Pardew.

I can't think of anyone else I would rather not get the job ahead of him.

The guy bores me to tears just looking at him and that's before he even opens his mouth.

I will be totally dismayed and upset if he is the man given the task to take QPR forward into the Prem...taking into account all of the other guys available at the moment.

I for one will not be renewing my season ticket if this happens and I have been supporting this great club for nearly 30 years.

FFS Briatore...don't get it wrong again.

[haqpr1963]

"We fell below expectation and for that reason its easy to blame the perceived person who buys the players, but we do know Sousa wanted Routledge and Dowie wanted Borrowdale by the players accounts(just examples), so its not all down to one person."

Good point there Pete. Shame you chose to use Borrowdale as an example though.

Can understand Dowie wanting him after coaching him at Palace and taking him to Coventry. Just a shame that by the time whoever was doing the deal managed to get it sorted Dowie was long gone and he wasn't wanted....

[Nodge70]

Football under De Canio was great to watch if you don't mind paying top 5 Premier League prices for CCC football. 80 minutes of a match was great football until we capitulated in the last 10 (and more often than not, 5) minutes.

De Canio doesn't speak English in a fully integrated English speaking squad and yes, aside from his tactical naivety and very questionable track record elsewhere, he also carries the can for GP purchases and the tag of a yes man.

I just cannot see any footballing reasons for the justification of LDC returning.

[Captain Clunge]

Football under De Canio was great to watch if you don't mind paying top 5 Premier League prices for CCC football. 80 minutes of a match was great football until we capitulated in the last 10 (and more often than not, 5) minutes.

De Canio doesn't speak English in a fully integrated English speaking squad and yes, aside from his tactical naivety and very questionable track record elsewhere, he also carries the can for GP purchases and the tag of a yes man.

I just cannot see any footballing reasons for the justification of LDC returning.

Come, come Nodge....his name went really well with all our songs, and he had a drink with selected fans on his last day. He's worthy of another go just for that!

[Minty]

My problem with De Canio returning is that the feel good atmosphere, with the "Gigi De Canio, Bernie & Flavio" song etc, was after (a) we were saved from administration and (b) from relegation.

Our expectations were, therefore, quite low. Think of Maslow's theory - at the time Flavio and Gigi arrived our needs were basic - survival in business and survival in the Championship.

Our expectations are very much higher now, due to the calibre of players we now have, the money available should the owners deem us worthy, and not least because of the very high ticket prices.

Whether De Canio can work under that pressure, whether he can get us promoted (remember he is somewhat of an expert at keeping teams up rather than having major successes), and whether he is committed enough (he's not one for staying around with clubs for the long haul), are the burning questions. Add to that the language barrier - he was meant to be learning english, but Capello (arriving in the UK at roughly the same time), was way ahead of De Canio with his English after a few short months.

I loved Gigi, and I'm eternally grateful for the work he did here. But we do now need a more all-round manager - one who knows how to defend as well as attack, knows the transfer market, knows English football, knows the language.

I am not so worried about Magilton or Boothroyd as I was. The original poster is right in saying that managers who haven't maybe got massive successes in their CV could well have simply not had a good enough team (much like Dowie and Sousa, because of our injury blight this year).

No matter what anyone says, these are two managers with proven Championship experience and something to prove.

[haqpr1963]

Excellent post Minty....