What games did FAurlin play in between August-October??

[Jeffro]

Wasnt he injured for a few and Buzz played the holding role??

SIr pie maybe can confirm this.

If so it may not have been 6 games and 18 points , may only be say 2/3 games and 6-9 points if we are deducted any at all.

[stainrodisalegend]

Good question Jeffro - in the days that I kept programmes I'd be able to look it up and tell you. Anyone got the answer? As Jeffro says cd make all the difference. No way back from an 18 point deduction but a nine point docking might not be terminal.

[The White City General]

He got injured against Ipswich, did he miss the following 6 matches?

September
Sat 18 Leicester City
Sat 25 Doncaster
Tue 28 Millwall
October
Sat 2 Crystal Palace
Sat 16 Norwich City ?
Tue 19 Swansea City

A hamstring injury has kept Faurlin out of Rangers' last four Championship games, but he is expected to return against Norwich City on 16 October.

[Jeffro]

So if he missed a bunch of games that were supposed to dock us points for, and that agent is shown as kosher, then all we have to do is send a top notch legal team to warn the FA not to take us on , sack Paladini and all will be sorted?

[The White City General]

So if he missed a bunch of games that were supposed to dock us points for, and that agent is shown as kosher, then all we have to do is send a top notch legal team to warn the FA not to take us on , sack Paladini and all will be sorted?

Question is what 6 matches are we talking about?

Because if it includes those 4 a 6pt deduction would still keep us top of the league

[LBLOCK]

Lads - you're barking up the wrong tree here.

The most serious charges (in my opinion) relate to false documents and the dodgy agent.
Those one's scare the hell out of me as the condition precedent is Luton which = 10 points.

Our Italian friend may well be waving around a bit of paper with Gareth Bales Agents name on it but the FA must have something else to even contemplate issuing these charges.

If they are found to be true then I think we are knackered and someone better start thinking of emigrating.

IN WARNOCK WE TRUST
(In others some of us had the sense never to)

[The White City General]

Ok Faurlin missed 5 matches in a row, he was on the bench for the Norwich match but didn't play he return to the starting 11 for the Swansea match.

September
Sat 18 Leicester City Injured
Sat 25 Doncaster Injured
Tue 28 Millwall Injured
October
Sat 2 Crystal Palace Injured
Sat 16 Norwich City On bench didn't play
Tue 19 Swansea City Starting 11

This might explain why we divered over the paperwork as he was out injured during this period?

However the charges might relate to the 6 games before that as they were the first 6 matches of the season???

[Jeffro]

This is what I saying Genny baby.
People the other day were banding around 6 games, well they must have known the dates, to know what 6 games he played in..

So... Please find the dates, put that together with whether he played or not..
work out how many game and results in those games..

Because remember we drew with Norwich so they cant take 3 points off for that game..

And finally work out what points if any we could be deducted, relevant to the games..

comprende??

[wewillbeback]

went off injured @ ipswich 14.09.10, unused sub against norwich 16.10.10
started against swansea 19.10.10, missed 5 games

[Jeffro]

The more i think about it, the more it winds me up. Paladini really is a "grade A" CANT!!

[Dando]

i thought the main issue was that we did not give all the information we were suppose to provide?

[qblockpete]

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it is thought that the other three charges, relating to use of an "unauthorised agent" and that QPR and its chairman, Gianni Paladini, submitted false documentation when renegotiating Faurlín's contract in October, are not as significant. The agent involved is now known to have been Peppino Tirri, well known in Italy. He does hold an official Fifa agent's licence, but it is understood the FA is alleging he was not also registered here, as the FA requires. Being "unauthorised" in that way is not as serious for a club as dealing with an agent who holds no licence

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[The White City General]

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Do you have any idea what the so called 6 matches are?

[Stuieang]

Queens Park Rangers say they broke no rules when signing the Argentinian midfielder Alejandro Faurlín in July 2009, even though it has emerged that Faurlín's former club, Instituto de Córdoba, were paid nothing when Faurlín left for QPR. The club has been charged with seven breaches of Football Association rules in relation to the Faurlín signing and the renegotiation of his contract last October, the most important of which allege that Faurlín continued to be owned by a third party for the whole of the 2009-10 season.

Third-party ownership of players was banned by the Premier League and FA after the Carlos Tevez affair and QPR have become the first club to be charged with breaching that prohibition. If the charges are proved, then QPR, clear leaders of the Championship, are considered almost certain to be docked points which could cost them promotion.

QPR still describe Faurlín's signing on their own website as a "three-year deal worth £3.5m". However, sources in Argentina have confirmed that Instituto, who play in Argentina's second division, did not receive a penny when Faurlín left for QPR.

There is, though, some confusion about the significance of that. QPR's description of the deal as "worth" £3.5m does not, said sources close to the club's case, mean they ever stated they paid £3.5m to Instituto. QPR are refusing to comment on the details beyond their statement that they will be "denying all the charges," so nobody at the club will explain publicly what they mean by saying the deal was "worth" £3.5m.

However, sources close to the club's case claim it did not mean they paid Instituto the £3.5m, so they argue it is not damning that Instituto did not receive any money. All payments by English clubs when buying overseas-based players have to go through the FA as a clearing house, so the FA has known since July 2009 that no payment was made to Instituto, despite QPR's description that the deal was "worth" £3.5m.

The club is expected to argue that in fact Faurlín had come to the end of his contract with Instituto and was therefore "on a Bosman", available on a free transfer. In the club's annual report and accounts for the year to 31 May 2010, Ishan Saksena, the chairman of QPR Holdings, which owns the club, described the arrival of Faurlín and Adel Taarabt, then on loan from Tottenham Hotspur, as QPR's "most notable" signings. However, no fee was ascribed to the signing of either player.

QPR will argue to the independent commission, which the FA is to convene, that they signed Faurlín on a free transfer and he was not owned by a third party. It is understood the FA alleges the registration of Faurlín, who has excelled in the Championship, was in fact owned by an Argentinian company.

As West Ham were not even charged with third-party ownership because the rule was not in place when Tevez was signed in 2006, but were still fined £5.5m over irregularities, QPR are expected to face huge penalties if the FA's charges are proved.

It is thought that the other three charges, relating to use of an "unauthorised agent" and that QPR and its chairman, Gianni Paladini, submitted false documentation when renegotiating Faurlín's contract in October, are not as significant. The agent involved is now known to have been Peppino Tirri, well known in Italy. He does hold an official Fifa agent's licence, but it is understood the FA is alleging he was not also registered here, as the FA requires. Being "unauthorised" in that way is not as serious for a club as dealing with an agent who holds no licence.


FA arent as seriously worried about agent being unlicenced says here

[swanleyhoop]

Irrespective, he was Gareth Bale's agent by August 2009, and we only signed AF the month before, and I can't imagine Bale would have suddenly changed agent in August, so he would almost cetainly been Bale's agent in the July when we signed AF.
On that basis, Spurs should have that particular charge levelled aginst them, too.

(I hope Rangers are aware of that.)