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    It explains third party ownership and gives a few indepth more details...


    QPR have been charged by the FA for allegedly breaking the rules on third-party ownership. Here, football correspondent Chris Wathan explains what it means and what happens now

    QPR have seen their promotion hopes plunged into uncertainty after being accused of breaking FA rules over third-party ownership.

    The Championship leaders are currently seven points ahead of second-placed Swansea City and a further two ahead of fellow promotion hopefuls Cardiff City.

    But their stranglehold on the division has been thrown into doubt after being threatened with points deduction for allegedly breaking FA regulations over player ownership, use of an unauthorised agent and providing false information on official documents.

    The seven different charges made against the Loftus Road club and chairman Gianni Paladini relate to the signing of midfielder Alejandro Faurlin.

    QPR deny any wrongdoing and are ready to contest the charges, ready to face a formal FA hearing to stop any potential docking of points that would throw the race to the Premier League wide open.

    Here, WalesOnline looks at just what QPR have been accused of - and what it could mean for our Welsh top-flight chasers.


    THE STORY
    Midfielder Faurlin was signed by QPR from Argentine club Instituto de Cordoba in July 2009 in a deal reported to be worth £3.5m. However, it has now been reported that Instituo have not received any monies from the transfer and the deal was instead allegedly agreed with a third party over the player's economic rights and that QPR failed to notify the FA of this.

    Furthermore, QPR have been accused of using an agent not registered or approved by world governing body Fifa during the transfer.

    In addition, when extending the player's Hoops contract last year, QPR and Paladini have been accused of falsifying FA documents to cover up the true nature of the player's original contract.

    The alleged events were uncovered last September by the Football League - but they passed the case to the FA as they had no rules regarding third-party ownership.

    And the 24-year-old was given the go-ahead to continue playing in the Championship despite this after they gave the green-light for QPR to buy-out his third-party contract and make him unreservedly a QPR player.

    However, the FA brought the issue to light on Wednesday by revealing the charges, which QPR deny.


    WHAT IS THIRD PARTY OWNERSHIP?
    Third-party ownership is the ownership of a player's economic rights by third-party sources, such as football agents, sports-management agencies, or other investors. It is common place in South America but against strict FA rules.


    WHAT IS AN UNAUTHORISED AGENT?
    All football clubs are only permitted to deal with agents officially recognised, licensed and registered with Fifa, world football's governing body, and the FA.


    WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
    QPR will put their case in front of a formal FA hearing and although no date has been given as yet it is reported that officials are keen for a swift process so any penalty will come into effect this season.

    If found guilty, they could face a fine or a points deduction - something FA sources have reportedly refused to rule out.


    THE PRECEDENTS
    Luton Town were recently hit with a 10 point deduction in 2008 for breaching FA rules over agents, although that was referring to illegal payments made to agents as well as the use of unlicensed agents.

    The most famous case regarding to third-party ownership is Tevez-gate in 2007 which sparked the FA's rule banning such contracts.

    The Hammers were fined £5.5m by an independent Premier League commission for their signing of Argentine striker Carlos Tevez, a player who would have a large impact on Premier League survival that season at the expense of Sheffield United. That outcome was criticised for not being severe enough after West Ham avoided a points deduction, with Blades boss - and current QPR manager Neil Warnock - leading the claims for docking of points.

    However, West Ham's punishment did not include breaching the rule on third-party ownership as it was only put in place following the Tevez affair. They were simply charged by the Premier League for failing to supply all relevant information regarding the transfer.

    In contrast, QPR have been charged of breaking that rule - as well as others - so there is no real precedent for the charges they are accused of.


    WHAT QPR SAY
    “Having co-operated fully with the FA’s investigation, QPR and Mr Paladini shall be denying all of the charges and requesting a formal FA hearing to determine them. QPR and Mr Paladini are confident that there has been no deliberate wrongdoing involved.”


    Source - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footbal...#ixzz1GD3f5qAN

  • #2
    It's the "there's been no deliberate wrongdoing" bit that bothers me. Remember Ignorance isn't above the law and all that.....

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    • #3
      And from a taffys point of view. I really hope you don't get penalised points. Good luck

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      • #4
        Apologies if this has been explained on one of the million threads on the subject but what I don't understand is how the Football League can simply "pass" the matter to the FA because it doesn't have rules against third party ownership. Surely the League is our governing body, not the FA, or do the FA have some ultimate authority? Otherwise its like the British government saying to a citizen "we can't charge you with an offence here because what you did isn't illegal here so instead we will charge you in France where it is illegal." It would be unjust, surely?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GarethGardner View Post
          And from a taffys point of view. I really hope you don't get penalised points. Good luck
          Decet of you to say that Gareth, thankyou.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stainrodisalegend View Post
            Decet of you to say that Gareth, thankyou.
            I'd second that.
            Thanks.
            Faurlin is my hero!!! Love him!!! #########

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            • #7
              I believe football should win not a slimey dodgy chairman. Fine him or do whatever they want. If they deduct points, its the fans who will get hurt the most. Being a Cardiff fan, I would want us to deserve to go up, not go up because of other clubs misfortunes. I don't believe you will lose points, more than likely a heavy fine. I really do feel for your fans at this hard time

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GarethGardner View Post
                I believe football should win not a slimey dodgy chairman. Fine him or do whatever they want. If they deduct points, its the fans who will get hurt the most. Being a Cardiff fan, I would want us to deserve to go up, not go up because of other clubs misfortunes. I don't believe you will lose points, more than likely a heavy fine. I really do feel for your fans at this hard time
                Fair play mate! I agree, at the end of the day if we don't go up really and truely it's the fans and the players who suffer the most. OK financially the owners would lose out but then the FA can hit the owners financially without affecting the fans and players who have done no wrong. Would be devastated to miss out on promotion because of this.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GarethGardner View Post
                  I believe football should win not a slimey dodgy chairman. Fine him or do whatever they want. If they deduct points, its the fans who will get hurt the most. Being a Cardiff fan, I would want us to deserve to go up, not go up because of other clubs misfortunes. I don't believe you will lose points, more than likely a heavy fine. I really do feel for your fans at this hard time
                  Thanks a lot. I guess rules are rules and clubs employ company secretaries and lawyers etc to ensure this kind of mess doesn't arise but even if - worse case scenario - Faurlin had been owned by a few agents in South America I don't see how that makes a blind bit of difference to anyone. I can see if it was with agents here who might have connections with rival clubs etc it might be compromising but South Americans? I'm annoyed with the club and Paladini for his incredibly complicated deal-making but I'm also frustrated with the FA for being such bureaucratic pen pushers.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GarethGardner View Post
                    I believe football should win not a slimey dodgy chairman. Fine him or do whatever they want. If they deduct points, its the fans who will get hurt the most. Being a Cardiff fan, I would want us to deserve to go up, not go up because of other clubs misfortunes. I don't believe you will lose points, more than likely a heavy fine. I really do feel for your fans at this hard time
                    Yes, thank you Gareth. Nice to see some decent, fair minded comments from rival fans. Although to be fair, you have always behaved with respect on here.

                    Talking of slimy, dodgy chairmen though............
                    I'm sure you consider yourselves well RID

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