Ray Wilkins

[SANDERSON8]

Everyone has opinions.

If you like a midfield player who passes the ball sideways or back all the time
thats fine,but not my cup of tea......Super.Absoloutly,My pleasure.

So you would put him in ahead of Francis,Masson,Tarrabt,Faurlin,etc not for me.

Couldnt tackle,coudlnt,make a long ball,no pace,heading ability zilch,about as
inspirational as a rice pudding.Admit he could keep possesion and pass short
negative balls only and thats about it.

England player no,walk into any Rangers team never,Chelsea thru and thru.

Absoloutly

[Jeffro]

I've wondered about your judgement on players watching your comments on here for a while now. And this confirms you seem to go for names and public opinion rather than your own and if this is your own then oh dear. Yes, I am absolutely coinfident AC Milan thought he was shite, Man U was never about him but those were dog days for the team and then Glasgow Rangers and then us got the even shittier end of the stick so if you are trying to tell me he was a Rangers legend you can go **** in the wind mate., He was never very good, shocking amount of caps he got as well

Shite

Glad you are monitoring my comments.
to be honest i have never noticed yours until this clap trap regarding Wilkins as a player spouted out your mouth.

[Jeffro]

With you Pete and Jeffro on this. No one in a long time has been able to ping passes anywhere on the field like he could and Holloway was his legs. Not gunna get into an arguement with anyone on this as I know what I saw. As a person he's a true gent, smashing, super, nice; as a coach you only have to look at how respected he is by the Chelsea players are whats happened to them since he was pushed; but as a managers I don't want to be rude!

People who question the player Wilkins, simply arent on my level on football knowledge daz

[winalotto]

Everyone has opinions.

If you like a midfield player who passes the ball sideways or back all the time
thats fine,but not my cup of tea......Super.Absoloutly,My pleasure.

So you would put him in ahead of Francis,Masson,Tarrabt,Faurlin,etc not for me.

Couldnt tackle,coudlnt,make a long ball,no pace,heading ability zilch,about as
inspirational as a rice pudding.Admit he could keep possesion and pass short
negative balls only and thats about it.

England player no,walk into any Rangers team never,Chelsea thru and thru.

Absoloutly

He didn't just pass the ball sideways or back, he had loads of assists, his passing range was fantastic, you can't put Tarrabt against him as they play a different position, you don't play for Man U or Milan or get the England gig for as long as he did if your over rated, he was even toted for England at 36 when he was playing for us and do you know why? Because he was class.

[Jeffro]

Give up winalotto, i have with these people

[The White City General]

Ray Wilkins made Les Ferdinand the player he was.

[Nodge70]

Wilkins.

Great player - one of our greats. Made that 89 - 94 side tick and controlled everything. He was playing so well that both Robson and Taylor actively considered him for an England recall. I can't believe some people can't see that.

As a manager - nowhere near as bad as he has been painted. Remember Ferdinand asked to leave. Wilkins actually squeezed another season out of him. Hateley was an error but in truth he was only bought to bring on Dichio. Wright shafted him at the end, had he stayed and Wright kept his whiskers out, Wilkins would have taken us back up.

[stanley75]

Glad you are monitoring my comments.
to be honest i have never noticed yours until this clap trap regarding Wilkins as a player spouted out your mouth.

What I noted was the uncritical following of the herd is all. And the defence of it against all evidence. And this is classic displacement tosh as if to prove that point. No comment on substance is offered at all. Seems you would have us believe that as he played for some "big" clubs he must be good. Bit like his mate hately perhaps? The fact that he played for Milan is enough to suggest he is class is it (even though it was the least successful period on their history)? The Man U fans loved him so much it was they that coined "crab" to describe his lack of innovation or penetration. Glasgow Rangers as a success story? Put to one side that could never impress, it was like Tampa Bay Rowdies up there when he was there as they tried a theory of flooding the team with retiree Englishmen. His was also probably the lowest period any England team has sunk to. So if that is all the measure of his success is then he is ****ed.

I have more time for the belief that some claim he played well enough at Rangers. He was Ok in a below par team. And his contibutioin to it was not very much at all. His coaching and managrerial cerdentials are already comprehensively trashed so I will leave it there. He will never be welcome by the majority of Rangers fans which will be his lasting legacy in W12. That and the Tango ads.

[Jeffro]

Wilkins.

Great player - one of our greats. Made that 89 - 94 side tick and controlled everything. I can't believe some people can't see that.

As a manager - nowhere near as bad as he has been painted. Remember Ferdinand asked to leave. Wilkins actually squeezed another season out of him. Hateley was an error but in truth he was only bought to bring on Dichio. Wright shafted him at the end, had he stayed and Wright kept his whiskers out, Wilkins would have taken us back up.

Finally someone watching the same Wilkins as me..


Nodge I remember as a young lad remmebring him spraying balls all over the place, exquisit chipped goals against sheff weds and everton?
He was a class act for quite a few years.
Never had anything near him since.

[Jeffro]

What I noted was the uncritical following of the herd is all. And the defence of it against all evidence. And this is classic displacement tosh as if to prove that point. No comment on substance is offered at all. Seems you would have us believe that as he played for some "big" clubs he must be good. Bit like his mate hately perhaps? The fact that he played for Milan is enough to suggest he is class is it (even though it was the least successful period on their history)? The Man U fans loved him so much it was they that coined "crab" to describe his lack of innovation or penetration. Glasgow Rangers as a success story? Put to one side that could never impress, it was like Tampa Bay Rowdies up there when he was there as they tried a theory of flooding the team with retiree Englishmen. His was also probably the lowest period any England team has sunk to. So if that is all the measure of his success is then he is ****ed.

I have more time for the belief that some claim he played well enough at Rangers. He was Ok in a below par team. And his contibutioin to it was not very much at all. His coaching and managrerial cerdentials are already comprehensively trashed so I will leave it there. He will never be welcome by the majority of Rangers fans which will be his lasting legacy in W12. That and the Tango ads.

So the team that finished 5th and top london club, in your opinion was " below par"??

What we should have finished 2nd or even won the league against that phenominal Man utd side??

I seriosly wonder how you can quantify your opinion?

[bushcelt1]

as some body said...wilkins played his best football with us. we were rightly credited with playing some sublime stuff-we were a joy to watch and the man who pulled the strings was ......baldy ray. a poor manager for us but can see him having a coaching role for england one day under a young english manager.

[stanley75]

Ray Wilkins made Les Ferdinand the player he was.

Do what? This is getting surreal. By selling him perhaps?

And whilst at it, the core of the late 80 early 90 team might have had more to do with Parker and Mac donald being in front of Seaman with Wegerle and Sir Les. Later Sinton and Peacock perhaps.

Good grief. I am also done with this. Can't debate with fantasy. So I am off to see at least 2 and possibly 3 better midfielders play tonight and that is just on the Rangers side.

[winalotto]

Wilkins.

Great player - one of our greats. Made that 89 - 94 side tick and controlled everything. He was playing so well that both Robson and Taylor actively considered him for an England recall. I can't believe some people can't see that.

As a manager - nowhere near as bad as he has been painted. Remember Ferdinand asked to leave. Wilkins actually squeezed another season out of him. Hateley was an error but in truth he was only bought to bring on Dichio. Wright shafted him at the end, had he stayed and Wright kept his whiskers out, Wilkins would have taken us back up.

Spot on, He did make one of our best sides ever tick, and to say all he did was pass sideways or backwards is simply not true, have a look at the games from that era and watch the work he got through , everything went through Wilkins, just like we look for Tarrabt now, we used to give the ball to Wilkins , and you don't play for Milan regardless of there success at the time if your a bad player.

[Jeffro]

Before you toodle off, care to explain your "below par" comment as I am still baffled

[stanley75]

So the team that finished 5th and top london club, in your opinion was " below par"??

What we should have finished 2nd or even won the league against that phenominal Man utd side??

I seriosly wonder how you can quantify your opinion?

Said I was done but with this thread can't resist this. When done laughing. Wilkins played about half of that season tops. When he played more games Rangers did worse. So you could even argue his absence helped us to finish 5th.
Ignoring it Les Ferdinand's finest season here. You know, they guy he later sold to relegate us.

There - quantified. Done and dusted