Embarrassing fans we have on here

[Captain Clunge]

no need for that fella. keep it civil please

No problem, as long as you moderate everyone fairly. Connors and Dazzer both seem quick to slate fellow fans, with worse language than that. I'm only following the lead....

[rblockells]

Conners thankyou for pointing these things out to us.It's also very good of you to recognise that certain supporters are doing all they can to support our club during difficult economic times.

[ScottJones]

No problem, as long as you moderate everyone fairly. Connors and Dazzer both seem quick to slate fellow fans, with worse language than that. I'm only following the lead....

when im online i do my best fella.

tis a good debate though

[superckat]

Connors has been winding people up for about a year now over on the dot.org. he will come on post be condescending and patronising to fellow supporters. Tell them that they are are not worthy fans. They should be grateful, etc etc. He does it deliberately to get peoples backs up and then you will be left with a very long thread where he is centre of attention. Where he will end up saying the same thing over and over again. I think he has found his true home here.

Anyway if you enjoy that sort of thing. Then fair enough.

[W12_Ranger]

It's good to see as one poster has previously mentioned this thread I started seems to represent the silent majority

Superkat - I'm sorry you find me self righteous, but I am fed up of listening to the same people force there opinions on me day after day spamming this message board (and others alike) with their Anti Establishment drivel. For the record I'm not a new fan either I'm Shepherds Bush born and bred and have been watching QPR for as long as I can remember. One of my earliest childhood memories was watching our supporters pass by my house in White City as a 3 yr old on the march to Wembley when we faced Spurs in the FA Cup Final. My season ticket has jumped from £463 to £700 yet I can appreciate the economics of the situation and thus accept it.

Goodfell R's - yes I do like a moan after all I'm a QPR fan but generally I only complain about what goes on the pitch and players contributions to the team.

Spencer, as I have said before, I judge a fair price based upon:

a) The league I am about to see my team play in
b) The costs of playing in that league
c) The average attendance we are likely to get
d) divide b by c
e) we are trying to breakeven without being bankrolled.

Would happily pay £1000 tomorrow if there was a guarantee of promotion. Am desperate to see QPR back in the Premiership.

I think QPR will struggle at Championship level with out someone like Briatore at the helm.

Conners I know you have your critics but I am not one off them, I agree with your views entirely and this comment sums my feelings up completely about things. Interesting to see how the level of debate has rocketed since you have become a member.

We finished 11th, the reason why we sold more last season is that fans really believed we would finish higher.

The perception for next season at the moment is that we will finish around mid-table, so it becomes no value for money.

Agree, the prices went up far too quickly, but its a catch 22 situation. If we had bigger crowds and even a bigger stadium, doubt it would have gone up. Whether the players are the right ones or not is open for debate, but no doubting wages have gone up and on paper the players are better. Money has to come from somewhere and we do have to accept increases. Whether we pay them, is up to each individual.

I agree Pete with you on this and it is a catch 22 situation and you know what some people will never be happy either and they will always complain regardless.


There are those off us who keep banging on about value for money, paying Prem prices for CCC football etc.

A question

If the board appointed a top coach, substantially invested in the team and went all out for promotion you would be happy to pay what you are presently paying for your ST right?

But what if after handing Sven £15 million and paying him £3 million a year we still finish 11th...then what?

Would you be concerned about the state of the accounts at the club, would you be screaming about mismanagement and wasting money?

Would you expect Flav et al to bail us out?

We don't have a Jack Walker (a local boy coming home to bankroll his childhood team) we do have 3 very astute business men on our board and yes they are learning and will make mistakes as football is a new arena for them.

I put it to you we have a section of fans who will never be happy and whilst the majority suffer in silence listening to you the rest of us just get on with it.

[conners]

Top man W12 Ranger. Have to say that there is a far better balance of views on this site compared with the dot org sites.

[paulmason]

W12- Ranger - I also renewed my ST's, but what a pile of doggie poo. Just because you are happy to pay £700 to watch a mid table championship team and are happy to roll over, touch your toes and get shafted, others are not and who are you to judge them.

Businesses go bust because they have a poor business model and at the moment, QPR have a p... poor business model. With sales around the 4-5000 level, there will be more games played in front of crowds under 10,000, than there will be over 10,000. This is down to QPR business model of charging to much for the product, nothing else.

I find this question troubling from the season ticket FAQ sheet, because due to the 'unprecedented demand' for 09/10 season ticks, the full affect of 5,000 ST sales will lead to job losses, players released to ease the wage bill and more importantly no players or sub standard players coming in. Again, this down to the business model, not the ungrateful fans.

Q - Why is the Early Bird period so early?
A - By raising funds at an early stage of the year, the Club will be able to plan better for both the short term and long term future.

[rblockells]

Top man W12 Ranger. Have to say that there is a far better balance of views on this site compared with the dot org sites.

mmm yes conners-more people on here seem to share your views...

[Spencer]

W12-

Wouldn't touch Sven in this league with a barge pole.People ar crying out for LDC to come back -yet in his native country he has struggled and if im right in thinking , they have just been relegated.

Don't go back - look at Cookie at the moment.

The board f...ed up last season and this season manager is going to be vitally important if we are to move forward.(Glad im not in their shoes)A manager like Curbs would have done for me,but id hate to be in his position 5-6 games in if we were bottom.Fans from both sides of the fence are fickle.

Like you - i have supported and followed club since late 70s.QPR are in my blood - but certainly i would'nt pay the season ticket prices you and Conners seem at home to finance.That doesnt mean i will not go and watch QPR - just means i would limit the games i would be able to attend.

My opinion(just for debate sake)I think that at present moment in time - a lower ST price would attract more fans and would generate more money.This would also boost gates and sales at the ground.

I for one - if the ST price was lower - would consider buying on - even knowing i would not attend all the games.I would however go to more games than at present.I buy my tickets Wed.Thursday and pick up at ground.There are some times on Sat morning , having thought i couldn't go - find myself in position where i could go.However - because its been a Sat morning...easy to make excuses not to go.Had i had a ST - i would have just jumped on a train.They get my money and me to more games.

It's easy for me to sit here and say how QPR should be run - but i do ask myself(re the jack walker comment) - For what reason did FB buy the club.?

A packed Loftus road - paying high prices - if we reached premiership - would we make money???Bigger clubs are struggling - so i cannot see the attraction to purchase a club like QPR.

A new Man Utd fan , Chelsea etc is born everyday.Keep the fans we have as attracting new fans is going to be hard.

[W12_Ranger]

W12- Ranger - I also renewed my ST's, but what a pile of doggie poo. Just because you are happy to pay £700 to watch a mid table championship team and are happy to roll over, touch your toes and get shafted, others are not and who are you to judge them.

Businesses go bust because they have a poor business model and at the moment, QPR have a p... poor business model. With sales around the 4-5000 level, there will be more games played in front of crowds under 10,000, than there will be over 10,000. This is down to QPR business model of charging to much for the product, nothing else.

I find this question troubling from the season ticket FAQ sheet, because due to the 'unprecedented demand' for 09/10 season ticks, the full affect of 5,000 ST sales will lead to job losses, players released to ease the wage bill and more importantly no players or sub standard players coming in. Again, this down to the business model, not the ungrateful fans.

Q - Why is the Early Bird period so early?
A - By raising funds at an early stage of the year, the Club will be able to plan better for both the short term and long term future.

Ok PaulMason seeing as your an expert on business models does you business model account for the debt the board took on when they bought us? If Dazzers reports are true and to date the board have spent £33 million then the club needs to recoup that outlay somewhere.

For the record I am not happy paying £700 for my season ticket I much preferred it when it cost me £463 but I do understand the economics of the situation and thus I accept it. Hindsight is great thing in the world of business and it's easy to be so judgemental. The club was planning for Premiership football for this season or at least a strong finish to last seasons campaign but it never worked out like that.

Regardless of ST Sales I'm willing to bet our attendances next season will be no different to last season and I'm sure the board know this. 13-14k average without a doubt, reduce matchday ticket prices in line with cost of ST's per match. Therefore purchasing a ST garuntees you your seat nothing more, you won't really be saving money if you know what I mean.

[Artful]

Looking after the supporters

A massive well done to Burnley. Their chairman has stuck to his word and given free seaon tickets to the 6,500 that renewed last season . Top Man.
Burnley - small club, smallish support (ring any bells!) yet they'll be in the premiership next year & if its a one season wonder, so what. Look at their income & parachute payments.
They brought in a no name manager, let him get on with it, stuck by him after a horrendous start to this season, they play good football and the chairman has rewarded the loyalty of the supporter.

A few lessons in there perhaps??????

[Nodge70]

mmm yes conners-more people on here seem to share your views...

Surprising that, innit???

[W12_Ranger]

A massive well done to Burnley. Their chairman has stuck to his word and given free seaon tickets to the 6,500 that renewed last season . Top Man.
Burnley - small club, smallish support (ring any bells!) yet they'll be in the premiership next year & if its a one season wonder, so what. Look at their income & parachute payments.
They brought in a no name manager, let him get on with it, stuck by him after a horrendous start to this season, they play good football and the chairman has rewarded the loyalty of the supporter.

A few lessons in there perhaps??????

Burnleys Chairman should be commended and yes our PR department should take note.

However, what about Charlton didn't they do something similar and where are they now. As I pointed out earlier in this thread Burnley is one of the most socio economically deprived areas in the country and one suspects it was these statistics which partly drove this PR stunt.

Do you think Flav, Bernie & Uncle Mittal would have been interested in buying Burnley....off course not.

Do you know what shape Burnely's accounts were in when they initiated this scheme?

I do try to look at the broader picture and I don't think it is as simple as 'why don't we do what Burnley did'.

[paulmason]

What Burnely are doing is different to what Charlton done. It will cost Burnley £2M to fund the ST's for the fans they are rewarding with the £50-£60M they WILL RECEIVE for getting into the premiership.

Charlton hoped they would get into the premier league and offered a ST to cover two years and were going to fund the 2nd year ST with the money they would get for getting back to the premier league. They didn't and were doomed financially because of it.

We could do the same if we got to the premier league, as it would be funded from the £50-£60M we get for getting there, the question is why we would not do the same ?

[The Merry Ploughboy]

It's good to see as one poster has previously mentioned this thread I started seems to represent the silent majority

Superkat - I'm sorry you find me self righteous, but I am fed up of listening to the same people force there opinions on me day after day spamming this message board (and others alike) with their Anti Establishment drivel. For the record I'm not a new fan either I'm Shepherds Bush born and bred and have been watching QPR for as long as I can remember. One of my earliest childhood memories was watching our supporters pass by my house in White City as a 3 yr old on the march to Wembley when we faced Spurs in the FA Cup Final. My season ticket has jumped from £463 to £700 yet I can appreciate the economics of the situation and thus accept it.

Goodfell R's - yes I do like a moan after all I'm a QPR fan but generally I only complain about what goes on the pitch and players contributions to the team.




Conners I know you have your critics but I am not one off them, I agree with your views entirely and this comment sums my feelings up completely about things. Interesting to see how the level of debate has rocketed since you have become a member.



I agree Pete with you on this and it is a catch 22 situation and you know what some people will never be happy either and they will always complain regardless.


There are those off us who keep banging on about value for money, paying Prem prices for CCC football etc.

A question

If the board appointed a top coach, substantially invested in the team and went all out for promotion you would be happy to pay what you are presently paying for your ST right?

But what if after handing Sven £15 million and paying him £3 million a year we still finish 11th...then what?

Would you be concerned about the state of the accounts at the club, would you be screaming about mismanagement and wasting money?

Would you expect Flav et al to bail us out?

We don't have a Jack Walker (a local boy coming home to bankroll his childhood team) we do have 3 very astute business men on our board and yes they are learning and will make mistakes as football is a new arena for them.

I put it to you we have a section of fans who will never be happy and whilst the majority suffer in silence listening to you the rest of us just get on with it.

A MESSAGE BOARD thrives on lively debate, differing opinions,disagreement,im sorry if you feel i or others have spammed up a message board with our whinging,and we are an embarassment,when you were 3 I was 9 walking past your house to go to wembley in 82, i probably walked past your house in 86 for the oxford game, was i an embarassment to you then?? sorry i wont lay down and take one for the team for the sake of "he saved us,he saved us" he quite possibly saved us and now he wants to roger us all,anyway i digress,if you dont like it use the ignore facility for us "serial whingers" dont read the threads in question as the heading usually give you a good pointer to the tone of the poster, failing that **** off to "WELOVEWHATEVERFLAVDOESCOSHESAVEDUSANDILOVEBEINGSHA FTED.COM" OR SIMILAR type messageboards where no one moans or embarasses you.................oh **** me there isnt such a utopia is there,as your "shampoo quaffing" buddy wicksta famously quoted on dot.org "It must be lonely up there on your high horse"