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  • #76
    I could afford ro renew my platinum seat but have chosen not to.

    All my disenchantment is at how the club is being run. The premature sacking of Sousa was the tipping point for me. I think he is exactly the sort of coach we needed at QPR, and he had the support of the great majority of fans.

    What he needed was a fit Vine and Buzsacky, plus a close season in which to pull in a couple of decent strikers. It's only then that we could have judged his abilities. To crucify the guy for not playing champagne football with the players he had available, is completely wrong. Instead, he did what he could with the players available, which was to make us a hard team to beat. This may not have pleased the more impatient fans, but it's a hard truth that that's how you start to build a decent side. You start at the back, and make your team hard to score against. The rest can come later.

    I fear that some people will never admit that Sousa was treated badly, and will continue to deny that he was the victim of a personality clash that turned into a witch-hunt by an unrepresentative minority. From reading the messageboards, and from talking to a wide range of QPR fans, it's ckear that Sousa was, and remains, a highly popular manager.

    I can only speak for myself, but I would have renewed my ST if Sousa was still manager. It was the forces at work behind his removal that finally led to me walking away from the club I've supported since the 1960s. I'm still as furious now about the Sousa scandal as I was at the time. It's a wound that will take a long time to heal for me and many others I know.

    I will be back, no doubt, but things need to change first. The club needs to learn to love the fans again, and only then will I return. Of course I'll no doubt go to odd games, particularly away from home, but I won't buy an ST again until there are management changes, and a more rational and less impatient approach to achieving our goals.

    As for Magilton, Cotterill etc. Sorry, not interested.

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    • #77
      Brilliant first post Will Carter.

      I think you speak for a lot of fans, many of whom have kept quiet over this whole affair while those on the "witch-hunt" made themselves loud as possible so that everyone could hear their views so believe that they are the majority.

      As for Sousa his mentality was that if you don't concede you can't lose. An attitude which as a player made him a winner and no doubt will make him a successful manager in the future.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by will carter View Post
        I could afford ro renew my platinum seat but have chosen not to.

        All my disenchantment is at how the club is being run. The premature sacking of Sousa was the tipping point for me. I think he is exactly the sort of coach we needed at QPR, and he had the support of the great majority of fans.

        What he needed was a fit Vine and Buzsacky, plus a close season in which to pull in a couple of decent strikers. It's only then that we could have judged his abilities. To crucify the guy for not playing champagne football with the players he had available, is completely wrong. Instead, he did what he could with the players available, which was to make us a hard team to beat. This may not have pleased the more impatient fans, but it's a hard truth that that's how you start to build a decent side. You start at the back, and make your team hard to score against. The rest can come later.

        I fear that some people will never admit that Sousa was treated badly, and will continue to deny that he was the victim of a personality clash that turned into a witch-hunt by an unrepresentative minority. From reading the messageboards, and from talking to a wide range of QPR fans, it's ckear that Sousa was, and remains, a highly popular manager.

        I can only speak for myself, but I would have renewed my ST if Sousa was still manager. It was the forces at work behind his removal that finally led to me walking away from the club I've supported since the 1960s. I'm still as furious now about the Sousa scandal as I was at the time. It's a wound that will take a long time to heal for me and many others I know.

        I will be back, no doubt, but things need to change first. The club needs to learn to love the fans again, and only then will I return. Of course I'll no doubt go to odd games, particularly away from home, but I won't buy an ST again until there are management changes, and a more rational and less impatient approach to achieving our goals.

        As for Magilton, Cotterill etc. Sorry, not interested.

        Cannot disagree with the large majority of that.

        Great first post and welcome to the board!
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        • #79
          Will Carter-that's possibly the best,most balanced and sensible post I have read.

          The Sousa witch-hunt was a stain on our club's history.

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          • #80
            Great post Will, so apt that you posted about the witch hunt in "the cauldron" so to speak, well done
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            To the streets of Free Derry

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            • #81
              Will, two first posts in one day (me also). I too was disappointed with the Sousa sacking and suspect that he could have done good things going forward, however, I do not understand your logic about not going to QPR games.

              Who do you expect to keep your club going through this mess ? The answer is your fellow fans. It is unfair to leave the responsibilty on their shoulders isn't it.

              Many of us are not happy, but if we all vote with our feet like you what will happen with the club ?

              Furthermore, I don't see peoples logic in supporting away games at the expense of home games. If you have a personal budget to spend at QPR games surely it is better that you attend home games (as opposed away games) so that your club can have the benefit of your attendance and not one of our competitors.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by conners View Post
                Will, two first posts in one day (me also). I too was disappointed with the Sousa sacking and suspect that he could have done good things going forward, however, I do not understand your logic about not going to QPR games.

                Who do you expect to keep your club going through this mess ? The answer is your fellow fans. It is unfair to leave the responsibilty on their shoulders isn't it.

                Many of us are not happy, but if we all vote with our feet like you what will happen with the club ?

                Furthermore, I don't see peoples logic in supporting away games at the expense of home games. If you have a personal budget to spend at QPR games surely it is better that you attend home games (as opposed away games) so that your club can have the benefit of your attendance and not one of our competitors.
                Welcome to the board!!

                I think away games have a much better atmosphere. At the end of the day people (rightly) want value for money. If that VFM can be gained by the addition of the travel, the banter, the singing, the experience of a new ground well, I can understand why that's easier to justify.

                For me personally, I'd skip 3 home games for a trip up to St. James' Park.

                Albeit if I had the funds I would do both home and away.
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                • #83
                  f***ing mutts nuts post will!

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                  • #84
                    Scott, agree re atmosphere at away games, however, our home form is going to be crucial if we are going to go forward.

                    The atmosphere at Loftus Road last season was not good on the whole and that is where we need the support more than anywhere.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by conners View Post
                      Scott, agree re atmosphere at away games, however, our home form is going to be crucial if we are going to go forward.

                      The atmosphere at Loftus Road last season was not good on the whole and that is where we need the support more than anywhere.
                      Don't disagree.

                      They do need to drop the Season Ticket prices though....we're charging more than Fulham FFS
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                      • #86
                        Maybe having Magilton who has a knack for winning a lot of away games might be a good thing?

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                        • #87
                          but Will is deciding not to attend due to non financial reasons. My question remains what will happen to the club that he wants to walk back into one day down the line if we all take the same stance as him right now ?

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                          • #88
                            careful or conners will start branding you scabs,not supporters and **** if you dare to disagree with his ######## views
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                            • #89
                              Good posts.

                              Have to say the club is bigger than any manager and always will be. I suspect supporters that were happy, will be balanced by fans that were not.

                              As for if the club is doing well by christmas, I think you will see many fans turn up on a a game by game basis and you cannot blame them.

                              Its all about opinions, why should one be of importance than someone elses? Why should he be classsed as up someone's #### for example?
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by conners View Post
                                but Will is deciding not to attend due to non financial reasons. My question remains what will happen to the club that he wants to walk back into one day down the line if we all take the same stance as him right now ?
                                That's his choice and whether I agree with it or not I can understand his reasoning. Thousands are doing exactly the same.
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