Jay Emmanuel-Thomas.....

[sirpiechucker]

Very good post and we haven't had a decent striker since Paul Furlong. He didn't mention the squad he was talking purely strikers Benny so please don't be so Pedantic.

Honest question - you don't think that Helguson or Hulse are decent strikers?

[WeAreQPR12]

Honest question - you don't think that Helguson or Hulse are decent strikers?

Ok to be honest I won't be giving Hulse a hard time.

He is a decent player although I don't think our formation suits him.

Hulse and Helguson are decent but Roberts/Bednar are better.

If Hull sign Bednar on loan then I won't lie to you, i'll be disappointed unless we sign roberts.

My opinion is that Cardiff have the best strike force and if they can keep Bothroyd then I think they have a strike force that will carry on tormenting this division. If we want to be the best the players like Helguson and Hulse aren't good enough IMHO.

Right ready for some stick, but remember its just my opinion.

[BennyBoyRs]

Tommy Smith and Hulse will start banging them in soon. Mackie will get another 8-10 this season as well, so I think we've got a good enough strike force, given the quality of the men behind them.

[G.T.P]

i seriously doubt mackies got another 8-10 goals in him.
think the 8 hes got was pure adrenalin and new club on a roll syndrome.
would love to be wrong tho.
think smiths a 5 goal man for the rest of the season, but i do also think that once hulse actually gets a goal (if he ever does) then they could start proper flowing in. hes that sort of player i reckon.

[Rebel R's]

No strikers? How many did Hulse and Helguson score in this division last season? They both scored 12. How many has Taraabt and Mackie already got this season? And how many has Smith got in a short space of time?

We have strikers but unless its Villa and Tevez you wouldn't be happy with anyone we signed.

Taraabt,Smith and mackie are not strikers,midfielder and 2 wingers...HH is ok but VERY injurey phrone and Hulse has been injured,and NO NO NO to all the completly ridiculous posts who say childish things like"you wouldnt be happy if we signed Ronaldo ect",because thats just silly talk.

[Goddard]

Taraabt,Smith and mackie are not strikers,midfielder and 2 wingers...HH is ok but VERY injurey phrone and Hulse has been injured,and NO NO NO to all the completly ridiculous posts who say childish things like"you wouldnt be happy if we signed Ronaldo ect",because thats just silly talk.

Ok then.

Straight question, no sly dig intented, no hidden meanings.... in your opinion which "quality proven striker/s" should we go for on loan, or in january to solve our crisis of form*?






(*I don't actually think there is a problem with our form... but that's a seperate debate)

[Jeffro]

i seriously doubt mackies got another 8-10 goals in him.
think the 8 hes got was pure adrenalin and new club on a roll syndrome.
would love to be wrong tho.
think smiths a 5 goal man for the rest of the season, but i do also think that once hulse actually gets a goal (if he ever does) then they could start proper flowing in. hes that sort of player i reckon.

100% agree, Mackie will get 5 goals max

[sirpiechucker]

Taraabt,Smith and mackie are not strikers,midfielder and 2 wingers...HH is ok but VERY injurey phrone and Hulse has been injured,and NO NO NO to all the completly ridiculous posts who say childish things like"you wouldnt be happy if we signed Ronaldo ect",because thats just silly talk.

What difference does it make what position they play if they score goals?

Charlie Adam scored more for Blackpool than DJ Campbell did last season.

Chris Brunt scored more goals than Roman Bednar, Ishmail Miller and Simon Cox last season. So did Dorrans and neither are strikers.

Kevin Nolan scored more than Ameobi, Best and Lovenkrands did for Newcastle.

[G.T.P]

lol @ qouting shite strikers who other players in the side have scored more than.
yeah thats all good and looks lovely, but it doesnt excuse the fact that its great to have a centre forward who does score from open play.

[sirpiechucker]

lol @ qouting shite strikers who other players in the side have scored more than.
yeah thats all good and looks lovely, but it doesnt excuse the fact that its great to have a centre forward who does score.

They are the three teams who were promoted last season. Other than Andy Carroll who scored the same as Nolan no other striker scored more than a midfielder at each club.

[G.T.P]

then both teams had not much of a strike force like us. (but newcastle walked it cos their striker did score more than anyone else in the team, so that proves that point to me)
if cardiff were already up and it was just us and swansea (who aint got a striker either) as the top two sides like newcastle and west brom, then it would matter a lot less, but we really dont want cardiff scoring untold and running away and leaving us and as it looks swansea both nil nilling and one oneing our way in a fight to the death for second spot.

[stainrodisalegend]

To steer a middle path here we do clearly have several out and out strikers as well as a wealth of attacking talent (eg players such as Tarabt and Smith). We also, quite clearly, have a v good overall Championship squad.

I think the question, Benny and others, is whether we have enough out and out strikers of sufficient quality. I was really impressed with Helguson until his injury and though he is not massively prolific I thought he did enough to bring others (tabs, mackie etc) to make the number nine position his own. As well as scoring a decent number of goals he was also earning penalties while his link up play was hard to fault.

I was also very excited by Hulse's signing as he has an excellent record - but SO FAR he has looked very poor (not saying he won't come good but either he is not match fit or he is seriously off form/ out of practice).

With radio silence on Helguson's condition (and a history of injury problems, plus his age) it would be cavalier to just assume he is going to be available for most of the rest of the season. Hulse isn't doing it and Mackie is apparently looking more like the player he has been for his entire career other than a two month spell when he first arrived. Ephraim, too, after an early flurry has looked terrible (and again as over the course of his Rangers career he has spent more time looking cold than hot, I'm not convinced he is going to suddenly come good).

So we are looking short of options. Agyman has done better as a sub than most (me included) expected and arguably Clark hasn't been given much of a chance; but I would need some convincing that either should feature very much in a team serious about promotion.

As such suggesting we might need strengthening up front is hardly outlandish. And I also think the point that we seem happier to strengthen in other areas than upfront is a fair one.

I respect the opinion of Benny, Sir Pie etc so I'd be interested if they disagree with the above and if so on what grounds. Many thanks.

[stainrodisalegend]

They are the three teams who were promoted last season. Other than Andy Carroll who scored the same as Nolan no other striker scored more than a midfielder at each club.

True Sir Pie but I think you answered your own point a few days ago when you recognised that we don't have a Nolan type midfield player who will score a hatful. At the moment our main goal threat is Tarabt and as many of his shots are from 40 odd yards I find it puzzling that good, sensible posters should apparently think that our current forward line doesn't need improving.

[Rebel R's]

Ok then.

Straight question, no sly dig intented, no hidden meanings.... in your opinion which "quality proven striker/s" should we go for on loan, or in january to solve our crisis of form*?






(*I don't actually think there is a problem with our form... but that's a seperate debate)

No crisis in form,i never said that just WAY too many draws and goals have dried up over the past 2 months....Bednar and Roberts immediatly come to mind

[WeAreQPR12]

To steer a middle path here we do clearly have several out and out strikers as well as a wealth of attacking talent (eg players such as Tarabt and Smith). We also, quite clearly, have a v good overall Championship squad.

I think the question, Benny and others, is whether we have enough out and out strikers of sufficient quality. I was really impressed with Helguson until his injury and though he is not massively prolific I thought he did enough to bring others (tabs, mackie etc) to make the number nine position his own. As well as scoring a decent number of goals he was also earning penalties while his link up play was hard to fault.

I was also very excited by Hulse's signing as he has an excellent record - but SO FAR he has looked very poor (not saying he won't come good but either he is not match fit or he is seriously off form/ out of practice).

With radio silence on Helguson's condition (and a history of injury problems, plus his age) it would be cavalier to just assume he is going to be available for most of the rest of the season. Hulse isn't doing it and Mackie is apparently looking more like the player he has been for his entire career other than a two month spell when he first arrived. Ephraim, too, after an early flurry has looked terrible (and again as over the course of his Rangers career he has spent more time looking cold than hot, I'm not convinced he is going to suddenly come good).

So we are looking short of options. Agyman has done better as a sub than most (me included) expected and arguably Clark hasn't been given much of a chance; but I would need some convincing that either should feature very much in a team serious about promotion.

As such suggesting we might need strengthening up front is hardly outlandish. And I also think the point that we seem happier to strengthen in other areas than upfront is a fair one.

I respect the opinion of Benny, Sir Pie etc so I'd be interested if they disagree with the above and if so on what grounds. Many thanks.

Very good post and an awful lot of common sense coming out in this 1 post.