Today - Buzz

[paulmason]

I don't think Buzz and Adel are solely competing for one place. Both are far better than Hogan, and although it is neither's preferred position, I'd rather see Bzz and Adel play than one be out of the team.

People expect Buzz to be doing defence splitting passes every time he gets the ball, etc. It is just ridiculous. The games I have seen him play in Faurlin's role he has done well and shown fans he has versatility.

Personally, I'd play him where Hogan plays, as he has far more to offer in my opinion. Unless I am mistaken, I sense Adel has dropped off in recent games compared to his early season form, and he could switch with Buzz even during matches.

It is a nice position to be in and how good is it that we're talking about this and not defeats!

I wonder if Jeffro will be consistent and pull you up on your stupid comment (his words) "Unless I am mistaken, I sense Adel has dropped off in recent games compared to his early season form" because that kind of language is not allowed on here.

[Jeffro]

Pawl, let me spell it out for you if you are finding it difficult or caught up watching a re run of songs of praise... read the 1st line of my post, i said if he thinks AT should be dropped or play the holding role..

[Jeffro]

Stop trying to drag others into a debate to cover your own stupidity. Funny for someone calling me a stalker, you reply to every post I write. Haha

[paulmason]

Pawl, let me spell it out for you if you are finding it difficult or caught up watching a re run of songs of praise... read the 1st line of my post, i said if he thinks AT should be dropped or play the holding role..

Read again then thicko and i have put in it bold for you.

"Personally, I'd play him where Hogan plays, as he has far more to offer in my opinion. Unless I am mistaken, I sense Adel has dropped off in recent games compared to his early season form, and he could switch with Buzz even during matches"

[stanley75]

I thought this thread was about Buz and the main point I was trying to make is he is doing a decent job even out of position. He hasn't had a run in his own preferred patch for a long time so a few of the swipes being thrown at him seem to me unfair.

On Adel, he has been on the wane for the last few matches - no one seems to be trying to argue with that. (the goal on Saturday was a gift from Jamie M and invloved littel input from him so let's not mix that up as evidence of his own performance). He was frankly uninfluential on Saturday. As he has been increasingly lately. I think that means you have to ask the question of him and how you use him for the team. It seems to me plain silly not to look critically across the piece. Indeed I think Warnock did just that and is taking Adel off earlier and earlier with each passing game lately. An alternative approach to that would be to start Adel on the bench and use him as impact sub. I actually quite like that idea - worked well for a stint last year. And I think it is right that the interchange in midfield will be between Buz and Adel and they will BOTH have to get used to wearing the same shirt. Ultimately I guess it will come down to who makes a better pairing up front with Helgur or Hulse as to who will be preferred to start with the other being used to mix it up as needed. On current form I'd start with Buz and bring Adel on rather than the other way round but that is a matter of opinion of course.

[Kirill]

Jeffro and Paul, please proceed to your respective corners and take off the gloves, this bout has ended in a tie ... there will be others I am sure, but not today please

[Jeffro]

Haha Kirill if I laced my gloves up, Pawl wouldnt be chatting lol... He still hasnt made a donation to my boxing event 26th November....
Boxing isnt his thing though Id guess, maybe stamp collecting or something.
I'll retreat now Pawl... thanks for early afternoon entertainment,

[paulmason]

Haha Kirill if I laced my gloves up, Pawl wouldnt be chatting lol... He still hasnt made a donation to my boxing event 26th November....
Boxing isnt his thing though Id guess, maybe stamp collecting or something.
I'll retreat now Pawl... thanks for early afternoon entertainment,

Yada, yada, yada. I guess that's your way of saying you cant read and that you dont have the balls to question someone else's opinion.

PS: I knew you said something about a boxing night and benny asked about it. I did not know you asked about donations so post the details on here or pm me the details and lets see what happens.

[rockandroll]

I thought this thread was about Buz and the main point I was trying to make is he is doing a decent job even out of position. He hasn't had a run in his own preferred patch for a long time so a few of the swipes being thrown at him seem to me unfair.

On Adel, he has been on the wane for the last few matches - no one seems to be trying to argue with that. (the goal on Saturday was a gift from Jamie M and invloved littel input from him so let's not mix that up as evidence of his own performance). He was frankly uninfluential on Saturday. As he has been increasingly lately. I think that means you have to ask the question of him and how you use him for the team. It seems to me plain silly not to look critically across the piece. Indeed I think Warnock did just that and is taking Adel off earlier and earlier with each passing game lately. An alternative approach to that would be to start Adel on the bench and use him as impact sub. I actually quite like that idea - worked well for a stint last year. And I think it is right that the interchange in midfield will be between Buz and Adel and they will BOTH have to get used to wearing the same shirt. Ultimately I guess it will come down to who makes a better pairing up front with Helgur or Hulse as to who will be preferred to start with the other being used to mix it up as needed. On current form I'd start with Buz and bring Adel on rather than the other way round but that is a matter of opinion of course.

this is what we call nonsense. if you have ever watched the games you would notice that over 90% of goals and dangerous actions were initiated invented created scored assisted by Adel. take him off you will be battling relegation war as simple as that. and saturday goal was not a gift from makie, it was a tight angle with defender there so Adel made a good run to the right place to finish it superbly, have you seen how many mackie has missed last match? two were obvious assists from Adel and one from a reflected shot which makie misses 1 to 1 against the keeper... without Adel you wouldnt even talking about promotion. you would be fighting down the table. unbelievable some people here.

[paulmason]

and saturday goal was not a gift from makie

Wow, you are the only person on planet earth who does not think our first goal was not a gift from Mackie to Taarabt, including Taarabt himself. Have a look at http://www.qpr.co.uk/page/Home and why do you think Taarabt is pointing at Mackie in the way he is, whilst running towards the QPR fans ?

[Stedders]

Adel will alwyas be dangerous but so will Buzz. I would bet that if they both played a full season in the 'hole' Buzz would score more, and probably Adel more assists. Buzz's shooting is far superior, Adel's is all over the place. Buzz is also a fantastic passer of the ball (like Adel), but Adel is scary when he runs at people (Buzz isn't). We are lucky to have them both.

[stanleymarsh]

After the first game, Warnock said he would have played Buzz instead of Derry. Obviously Derry had performed out of his skin since. I doubt Warnock would want to set a team in stone right now, as he wants everyone to keep on their toes for a space - Tarbs, Faurlin, everyone. No one has a divine right to play and I am sure if Buzz is on the bench for the next game, Warnock will make sure he gets on and makes sure everyone on the pitch knows that he is a threat to their position.
One point about Buzz's defensive capabilities - we have not conceded a goal with him on the pitch this year.
As for us being overrun in midfield - we were pretty much under the cosh against Barnsley for a long time before they cracked. Likewise, Derby murdered us. If we have not had as much space in midfield of late, it's because other teams have man-marked Taarabt.

[rockandroll]

Wow, you are the only person on planet earth who does not think our first goal was not a gift from Mackie to Taarabt, including Taarabt himself. Have a look at http://www.qpr.co.uk/page/Home and why do you think Taarabt is pointing at Mackie in the way he is, whilst running towards the QPR fans ?

just tell me how makie would score it from that angle with that defender closing there and the keeper pressing behind?

[stanley75]

Frid I can't see there is any point talking football with you RockandRoll. You have put up video evidence that could only prove the opposite to the point you say you are trying to make.

If you think Adel should play no matter what he actually plays like then we will just have to agree to differ. I simply repeat that I do not think he played well on Saturday - the goal he got was gifted to him from JM and do not try to tell me otherwise - it was not about whether Mackie could've got it himself or not it is the fact that any child could have scored the set up Mackie gave him so it does not make him super for tapping it in!!!

He hasn't played well for few now. I am not sure if you go to games or not but if you do I cannot see how you might say otherwise. So all I was saying is he should be used differently. Not stuck by slavishly but weaved into a team and uysing his impact. Adel doesn't play 90 minutes as a rule. Or perhaps you would also like to tell me he is a workhorse???!

[rockandroll]

if even the video didnt convince u then I have nothing more to say..