QPR Neanderthals

[stanley75]

The original point seems to have morphed into something else now though. ( I am not having a go btw ). My only point was that if someone wants to do/watch whatever in the ground then that should be left to them. I don't see it is anyone else's concern how much or little attention anyomne pays to the game, But if you are now saying it was a problem as they were in your way then that is different. That is not right but should simply be fixed by you asking them to move out of the way. If there was a group that refused to move we would have a topic.

[Stanley]

The original point seems to have morphed into something else now though. ( I am not having a go btw ). My only point was that if someone wants to do/watch whatever in the ground then that should be left to them. I don't see it is anyone else's concern how much or little attention anyomne pays to the game, But if you are now saying it was a problem as they were in your way then that is different. That is not right but should simply be fixed by you asking them to move out of the way. If there was a group that refused to move we would have a topic.

I know. The original point was made as an observation, nothing more, nothing less.

The second point was a consequence of the first point. IOW people being forced to stand in order to watch the game, and even then 1/4 of the pitch was totally obscured. When commenting on that I was thinking more of the little kid who through no fault of his own was forced to leave the game early because even though he was standing on his seat he still couldnt see a thing.

Our stewards were completely non-existant throughout [face palm]

We all know what its like at a football game - one group of people stand up and refuse to sit down, forcing everyone behind them to stand just to be able to see, and before you know it the entire block is standing. So trying to ask people to sit down becomes a futile task.

Of course for those fans only interested in watching the Millwall fans it wasnt a problem as they had a grandstand view of them. Different story for those actually trying to watch a game they'd paid to see.

Nice to meet you, stanley75. Great name by the way!

[stan_bowles]

There are too many Stans/Stanleys in this thread and it's getting confusing.

[Kirill]

There are too many Stans/Stanleys in this thread and it's getting confusing.

My real name is Stanely by the way, hope this clears up the confusion

[stan_bowles]

My real name is Stanely by the way, hope this clears up the confusion

[PedalR]

When I first started going to Rs in 70's I only went to the big games and derbies. This meant the first 25 or so games I saw mostly involved LR being swarmed over by away fans with the Loft often being "taken". Over time more and more Rs fans started turning out for these games so there were punch-ups galore.
Anyway, fast forward 20/30 yrs and I have to say that I'm still intrigued, beguiled, fascinated, dunno the correct term, with old-fashioned football hooliganism - it's what I was weaned on. Having matured and being a dad means I would unlikely cause or look for trouble but neither would I rush to condemn these so called "neanderthals". If you had a "swing-o-meter" with prawn sarnie brigade at one side and neanderthals on the otherside I'd be left-of-centre towards the cavemen I think.
Ultimately I'm a product of the football environment I grew up in.

[hanwell ranger]

When I first started going to Rs in 70's I only went to the big games and derbies. This meant the first 25 or so games I saw mostly involved LR being swarmed over by away fans with the Loft often being "taken". Over time more and more Rs fans started turning out for these games so there were punch-ups galore.
Anyway, fast forward 20/30 yrs and I have to say that I'm still intrigued, beguiled, fascinated, dunno the correct term, with old-fashioned football hooliganism - it's what I was weaned on. Having matured and being a dad means I would unlikely cause or look for trouble but neither would I rush to condemn these so called "neanderthals". If you had a "swing-o-meter" with prawn sarnie brigade at one side and neanderthals on the otherside I'd be left-of-centre towards the cavemen I think.
Ultimately I'm a product of the football environment I grew up in.

top post mate! i couldn,t have put it better myself.

[paulmason]

Football is tribal and by definition..................

[Hertford Hoop]

When I first started going to Rs in 70's I only went to the big games and derbies. This meant the first 25 or so games I saw mostly involved LR being swarmed over by away fans with the Loft often being "taken". Over time more and more Rs fans started turning out for these games so there were punch-ups galore.
Anyway, fast forward 20/30 yrs and I have to say that I'm still intrigued, beguiled, fascinated, dunno the correct term, with old-fashioned football hooliganism - it's what I was weaned on. Having matured and being a dad means I would unlikely cause or look for trouble but neither would I rush to condemn these so called "neanderthals". If you had a "swing-o-meter" with prawn sarnie brigade at one side and neanderthals on the otherside I'd be left-of-centre towards the cavemen I think.
Ultimately I'm a product of the football environment I grew up in.

I think most posters on here if they are truly honest would agree. Its part of what the male species has in them.

[80sCasual]

And who threw the first put-down mate? Was only responding to that. Thanks for pulling me up on my spelling too

No worries mate, we're just us bad as each other then, too much tit for tat on here anyway.

[paulmason]

Funny how someone can burn a religious book and they are criminals for inciting hatred but if an away fan desecrates the pitch at W12, the liberal hand wringers say grow up!

[askewboy]

When I first started going to Rs in 70's I only went to the big games and derbies. This meant the first 25 or so games I saw mostly involved LR being swarmed over by away fans with the Loft often being "taken". Over time more and more Rs fans started turning out for these games so there were punch-ups galore.
Anyway, fast forward 20/30 yrs and I have to say that I'm still intrigued, beguiled, fascinated, dunno the correct term, with old-fashioned football hooliganism - it's what I was weaned on. Having matured and being a dad means I would unlikely cause or look for trouble but neither would I rush to condemn these so called "neanderthals". If you had a "swing-o-meter" with prawn sarnie brigade at one side and neanderthals on the otherside I'd be left-of-centre towards the cavemen I think.
Ultimately I'm a product of the football environment I grew up in.

steady on mate only chelsea,west ham and spurs took the loft.

[benjamin163]

I agree with most of the posts here.
The tribal nature of football gives it its edge and makes it special.
However, and it is a big however.
I'd be absolutely gutted if I went to a game and got a clump for no reason. I've seen QPR fans do that and I hear Millwall fans were doing it on Tue.
People who aren't looking for a fight should clearly be able to go and enjoy the game without getting caught up in trouble. But that simply isn't guaranteed any more with a fixture like QPR v Millwall. That's a shame.
By all means hooligans who want to fight with each other should be left to it. But it does seem to spread to people who want no such involvement.
And another point on that.
I've heard a lot of parents moaning about taking their kids to the game and feeling intimidated. But I must say I wouldn't have dreamed of taking my boy to Tuesdays game. It's idealistic at best to expect a cordial atmosphere for a kid at that fixture.
Surely one to steer clear of for the kids.

[PeterG]

"steady on mate only chelsea,west ham and spurs took the loft."

Glad you said that thought i was going senile for a moment

Plenty of teams had a go and it was a fairly regular thing for away supporters to kick off having infiltrated the loft but in most cases they were sorted out in short order.

I do remember Stoke, Derby and middlesbrough causing major problems but they never "took the loft" and were eventually persuaded to ****** off

[askewboy]

I agree with most of the posts here.
The tribal nature of football gives it its edge and makes it special.
However, and it is a big however.
I'd be absolutely gutted if I went to a game and got a clump for no reason. I've seen QPR fans do that and I hear Millwall fans were doing it on Tue.
People who aren't looking for a fight should clearly be able to go and enjoy the game without getting caught up in trouble. But that simply isn't guaranteed any more with a fixture like QPR v Millwall. That's a shame.
By all means hooligans who want to fight with each other should be left to it. But it does seem to spread to people who want no such involvement.
And another point on that.
I've heard a lot of parents moaning about taking their kids to the game and feeling intimidated. But I must say I wouldn't have dreamed of taking my boy to Tuesdays game. It's idealistic at best to expect a cordial atmosphere for a kid at that fixture.
Surely one to steer clear of for the kids.

well done mate go and get a biscuit.