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  • FAO Sir Pie Chucker

    As you are a man of stats.

    Can you work out this one?

    What is the most amount of consecutive games that Fitz Hall has played in for us?? And when was it?
    First game: Arsenal vs Queen's Park Rangers at Highbury, Saturday 17th November 1984.

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    Haha
    Your mum would love me...

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    • #3
      We should be thankful, as we now have our best defense with Connolly and Gorkks

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HammersmithR View Post
        As you are a man of stats.

        Can you work out this one?

        What is the most amount of consecutive games that Fitz Hall has played in for us?? And when was it?
        Will do. Give me 10 mins or so though.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HammersmithR View Post
          As you are a man of stats.

          Can you work out this one?

          What is the most amount of consecutive games that Fitz Hall has played in for us?? And when was it?
          Thought you might ask the real Statto mate though he did look a bit worse for wear when he fell in that cab outside the Springbok

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          • #6
            Longest Runs Per Season

            2007/08
            Matches 40 to 44 - Wolves to Charlton = 5 matches (went off after 34 mins against Charlton)

            2008/09
            Matches 8 to 18 - Derby to Watford - 11 matches plus CCC versus Aston Villa and CCC versus Manchester United equals 13 matches

            2009/10
            Matches 1 to 5 - Blackpool to Scunthorpe = 5 matches

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            • #7
              Absolutely outstanding SirPie. You are The Man for stats.

              But 2009/10 should be 3 games so far ? He didn't play again Scunny did he ?
              So Barnsley, Port Vale, Sheff Utd.....or are you including Friendlies ?

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              • #8
                Must include friendlies that.

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                • #9
                  Many thanks.

                  13 games and he gets made captain.

                  That is an absolute joke!
                  First game: Arsenal vs Queen's Park Rangers at Highbury, Saturday 17th November 1984.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by QPR1976 View Post
                    Absolutely outstanding SirPie. You are The Man for stats.

                    But 2009/10 should be 3 games so far ? He didn't play again Scunny did he ?
                    So Barnsley, Port Vale, Sheff Utd.....or are you including Friendlies ?
                    Nope 09/10 was last season. 10/11 is this season which I haven't included because I thought it was obvious how much he's played.

                    I'm just a geek and enjoy researching when someone asks.

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                    • #11
                      Got one for you Sir Pie. What is the airspeed velocity of an Unladen African Swallow vs a European Swallow?

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                      • #12
                        SirPie, I stand corrected and will try to read post's more thoroughly, or at least concentrate on the numbers more.

                        On the Swallows, Dazzer, mph or kph ?

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                        • #13
                          Flying in an easterly direction, pre-migratory period, in winds of less that 40MPH, I'd like the results in MPH please?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dazzer1977 View Post
                            Got one for you Sir Pie. What is the airspeed velocity of an Unladen African Swallow vs a European Swallow?
                            To begin with, I needed basic kinematic data on African and European swallow species.


                            South African Swallow
                            (Hirundo spilodera) European Swallow
                            (Hirundo rustica)
                            Although 47 of the 74 worldwide swallow species are found in Africa,1 only two species are named after the continent: the West African Swallow (Hirundo domicella) and the South African Swallow (Hirundo spilodera), also known as the South African Cave Swallow.

                            Since the range of the South African Swallow extends only as far north as Zaire,2 I felt fairly confident that this was the non-migratory African species referred to in previous discussions of the comparative and cooperative weight-bearing capabilities of African and European swallows.3

                            Kinematic data for both African species was difficult to find, but the Barn or European Swallow (Hirundo rustica) has been studied intensively, and kinematic data for that species was readily available.



                            It’s a simple question of weight ratiosA 54-year survey of 26,285 European Swallows captured and released by the Avian Demography Unit of the University of Capetown finds that the average adult European swallow has a wing length of 12.2 cm and a body mass of 20.3 grams.4

                            Because wing beat frequency and wing amplitude both scale with body mass,5 and flight kinematic data is available for at least 22 other bird species,6 it should be possible to estimate the frequency (f ) and amplitude (A) of the European Swallow by a comparison with similar species. With those two numbers, it will be possible to estimate airspeed (U).

                            In order to maintain airspeed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?Actually, wrong. By comparing the European Swallow with bird species of similar body mass, we can estimate that the swallow beats its wings 18 times a second with an amplitude of 18 cm:

                            Species Body mass Frequency Amplitude
                            Zebra Finch 13 g 27 Hz 11 cm
                            European Swallow 20 g ≈ 18 Hz? ≈ 18 cm?
                            Downy Woodpecker 27 g 14 Hz 29 cm
                            Budgerigar 34 g 14 Hz 15 cm

                            Note that even the tiny Zebra Finch flaps its wings no more than 27 times a second while cruising.

                            If we ignore body mass and look only at bird species with a similar wingspan, we can estimate an average frequency of 14 beats per second and an amplitude of 23 cm:

                            Species Wingspan Frequency Amplitude
                            Budgerigar 27 cm 14 Hz 15 cm
                            European Swallow ≈ 28–30 cm ≈ 14 Hz? ≈ 23 cm?
                            Downy Woodpecker 31 cm 14 Hz 29 cm
                            European Starling 35 cm 14 Hz 26 cm

                            By averaging all 6 values, we can estimate that an average European Swallow flies at cruising speed with a frequency of roughly 15 beats per second, and an amplitude of roughly 22 cm.

                            Skip a bit, BrotherLast month’s article on The Strouhal Number in Cruising Flight showed how simplified flight waveforms that graph amplitude versus wavelength can be useful for visualizing the Strouhal ratio (fA/U), a dimensionless parameter that tends to fall in the range of 0.2–0.4 during efficient cruising flight.

                            For a European Swallow flying with our estimated wingbeat amplitude of 24 cm, the predicted pattern of cruising flight ranges from a Strouhal number (St) of 0.2:



                            ... to a less efficient 0.4:



                            If the first diagram (St = 0.2) is accurate, then the cruising speed of the European Swallow would be roughly 16 meters per second (15 beats per second * 1.1 meters per beat). If the second diagram (St = 0.4) is accurate, then the cruising speed of the European Swallow would be closer to 8 meters per second (15 beats per second * 0.55 meters per beat).

                            If we settle on an intermediate Strouhal value of 0.3:



                            We can estimate the airspeed of the European Swallow to be roughly 11 meters per second (15 beats per second * 0.73 meters per beat).

                            Three shall be the number thou shalt countAirspeed can also be predicted using a published formula. By inverting this midpoint Strouhal ratio of 0.3 (fA/U ≈ 0.3), Graham K. Taylor et al. show that as a rule of thumb, the speed of a flying animal is roughly 3 times frequency times amplitude (U ≈ 3fA).5


                            We now need only plug in the numbers:


                            U ≈ 3fA
                            f ≈ 15 (beats per second)
                            A ≈ 0.22 (meters per beat)
                            U ≈ 3*15*0.22 ≈ 9.9
                            ... to estimate that the airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is 10 meters per second.

                            Oh, yeah, I agree with thatWith some further study, it became clear that these estimates are accurate, though perhaps coincidental.

                            An actual study of two European Swallows flying in a low-turbulence wind tunnel in Lund, Sweden, shows that swallows flap their wings much slower than my estimate, at only 7–9 beats per second:

                            “Compared with other species of similar size, the swallow has quite low wingbeat frequency and relatively long wings.” 7
                            The maximum speed the birds could maintain was 13–14 meters per second, and although the Lund study does not discuss cruising flight in particular, the most efficient flapping (7 beats per second) occurred at an airspeed in the range of 8–11 meters per second, with an amplitude of 90–100° (17–19 cm).

                            And there was much rejoicingAveraging the above numbers and plugging them in to the Strouhal equation for cruising flight (fA/U = 7 beats per second * 0.18 meters per beat / 9.5 meters per second) yields a Strouhal number of roughly 0.13:



                            ... indicating a surprisingly efficient flight pattern falling well below the expected range of 0.2–0.4.

                            Although a definitive answer would of course require further measurements, published species-wide averages of wing length and body mass, initial Strouhal estimates based on those averages and cross-species comparisons, the Lund wind tunnel study of birds flying at a range of speeds, and revised Strouhal numbers based on that study all lead me to estimate that the average cruising airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is roughly 11 meters per second, or 24 miles an hour.


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                            • #15
                              Dazzer OWNED!!!! haha

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