Mackin - a 4 year contract?

[W12_Ranger]

I am actually not going to point the finger at this moment in time at Paladini for handling the contract negotiations on Mackie's transfer.

I am going to assume that a four year deal was handed to the lad on Neil Warnock's advice. I am baffled by the deal but NW has signed this lad so he must see something in him.

What handing a 4 yr deal to the lad does demonstrate is a statement of intent IMO, doesn't sound like Mackie will be making up the numbers in the squad.

[BennyBoyRs]

I rate Mackie. Ok, you'd imagine the Plymuff fans know more as they get to see him more often, but we've seen it plenty of times in the past, only for the player to prove his old fans wrong.

Look at Heider with us and Tw@tford...

I'm glad you're not jumping on this one though W12. Even though we dissagree at times, at least you structure your opinions with theory and reasons. There is nothing whatsoever to point towards GP on this one, so I am bemused that fans are trying to.

[Mellowhoop]

i wish i had his money

[W12_Ranger]

I rate Mackie. Ok, you'd imagine the Plymuff fans know more as they get to see him more often, but we've seen it plenty of times in the past, only for the player to prove his old fans wrong.

Look at Heider with us and Tw@tford...

I'm glad you're not jumping on this one though W12. Even though we dissagree at times, at least you structure your opinions with theory and reasons. There is nothing whatsoever to point towards GP on this one, so I am bemused that fans are trying to.

I sat in the same room as Warnock, listened to the man talk about the future of the club for 2hrs, even heard him describe signing a player like Mackie.

I am pretty certain Warnock is his own man, I also believe we will be signing 2 more strikers.

[BennyBoyRs]

I sat in the same room as Warnock, listened to the man talk about the future of the club for 2hrs, even heard him describe signing a player like Mackie.

I am pretty certain Warnock is his own man, I also believe we will be signing 2 more strikers.

He'll more than likely use him the way he used Scannell. A bit of pace with the ability to drive through defenders. The only difference is, Mackie scores more over a season. Seriously, I believe he's better than our fans are giving him credit for and better than Wikipedia would suggest too.

[superhoop67]

I sat in the same room as Warnock, listened to the man talk about the future of the club for 2hrs, even heard him describe signing a player like Mackie.

I am pretty certain Warnock is his own man, I also believe we will be signing 2 more strikers.

Maybe he is building a team/squad for promotion , not a bunch of prima donnas up thier own arses

[W12_Ranger]

He'll more than likely use him the way he used Scannell. A bit of pace with the ability to drive through defenders. The only difference is, Mackie scores more over a season. Seriously, I believe he's better than our fans are giving him credit for and better than Wikipedia would suggest too.

Also the club has talked of a wage cap previously, it wouldn't surprised me to hear Mackie isn't on a substantial wage but has negotiated himself a 4 yr deal to compensate....at this stage I'm giving the club the benefit of the doubt, I think we have to as we will be signing 5+ more players and we will be scrutinising every deal otherwise.

[davman]

4 years is gross stupidity; we've not learned anything from our current deadwood. Youvebeenrangered and others, you are deluded.
Football has changed and Bosman is a reality; you should not carry the fear of losing players at the end of their contract - it will happen
and sometimes will work in your favour and sometimes not - that"s just life now. In any case, if you think an additional two years left on a
contract will keep a player somewhere he doesn't want to be, deluded doesn't go far enough to describe you.

Times are changing and 4 year deals are pure madness.

See, I posted that and avoided mentioning the P word. I don't know, but it looks as though the same people are making the same mistakes...

[BennyBoyRs]

4 years is gross stupidity; we've not learned anything from our current deadwood. Youvebeenrangered and others, you are deluded.
Football has changed and Bosman is a reality; you should not carry the fear of losing players at the end of their contract - it will happen
and sometimes will work in your favour and sometimes not - that"s just life now. In any case, if you think an additional two years left on a
contract will keep a player somewhere he doesn't want to be, deluded doesn't go far enough to describe you.

Times are changing and 4 year deals are pure madness.

See, I posted that and avoided mentioning the P word. I don't know, but it looks as though the same people are making the same mistakes...

Laughable that you feel by me not agreeing with you, I'm deluded?! I think (and you'll clearly dissagree) that I'm a very balanced, unbiased and truthful poster. Deluded is one thing I am not. I have my feet firmly on the ground.

You miss the point on the piece I highlighted. With a two year contract, if he has an amazing year and attracts interest, his value won't be so good with a year running, as the interested parties can let him run it down another 6 months and approach him on a free.

Try to structure something before talking down to posters. It's not a good look.

[oldhoop]

In my (humble) opinion it makes perfect sense to offer a long contract. It shows how serious we are and if he wants away for any reason in the first 3 years then someone will have to pay. You don't take on new employeees on the basis they are going to be off in the first couple of years. It shows a confidence in Mr Warnocks own judgement and underlines the intent that is now evident at QPR. Expect more long contracts! It will lead to something we have not had a QPR for a long time STABILITY and as sure as night follows day stability equals success! Start believing people or just turn right at Hammersmith Broadway!!!

In Warnock we (must) Trust

[W12_Ranger]

Maybe he is building a team/squad for promotion , not a bunch of prima donnas up thier own arses

This is it, I say just let him get on with it. We spent 2 years screaming for a manager like Warnock to take the reins and now he is here we must let him get on with it.

Reading reports from Plymouth fans about the lad he sounds like he gives 100% every game, same with this Clint Hill from Palace fans. Its the same reason why the fans have a soft spot for Ramage and if we are going sign Taarabt for example we are gonna need as many of these types of players surrounding him as possible.

Regardless of the length of these contracts to be handed out, Warnock is going to sign players who give us 100% commitment and effort and thats what you need in the CCC and we have sorely been missing.

[BennyBoyRs]

Also the club has talked of a wage cap previously, it wouldn't surprised me to hear Mackie isn't on a substantial wage but has negotiated himself a 4 yr deal to compensate....at this stage I'm giving the club the benefit of the doubt, I think we have to as we will be signing 5+ more players and we will be scrutinising every deal otherwise.

I agree. I can even see there being as many as 10 new signings as he's already said he wants to re-build...his way. He's given me no reason to doubt him, so I'll put my faith into his decisions.

[oldhoop]

This is it, I say just let him get on with it. We spent 2 years screaming for a manager like Warnock to take the reins and now he is here we must let him get on with it.

Reading reports from Plymouth fans about the lad he sounds like he gives 100% every game, same with this Clint Hill from Palace fans. Its the same reason why the fans have a soft spot for Ramage and if we are going sign Taarabt for example we are gonna need as many of these types of players surrounding him as possible.

Regardless of the length of these contracts to be handed out, Warnock is going to sign players who give us 100% commitment and effort and thats what you need in the CCC and we have sorely been missing.

Hear hear

[W12_Ranger]

Also a manager like Warnock looks at players like Mackie and says to himself 'I can make him a better player'. This is what good managers do, they work on players strengths and attributes. I don't know much about Mackie but he sounds like a bit of a rough diamond and needs some work on his game but surrounded by better technically gifted players which we have there is no reason why he can't develop his game.

Trying to think positive here.

[Youvebeenrangered]

4 years is gross stupidity; we've not learned anything from our current deadwood. Youvebeenrangered and others, you are deluded.
Football has changed and Bosman is a reality; you should not carry the fear of losing players at the end of their contract - it will happen
and sometimes will work in your favour and sometimes not - that"s just life now. In any case, if you think an additional two years left on a
contract will keep a player somewhere he doesn't want to be, deluded doesn't go far enough to describe you.

Times are changing and 4 year deals are pure madness.

See, I posted that and avoided mentioning the P word. I don't know, but it looks as though the same people are making the same mistakes...

God fella you really take the biscuit.

"If you think a additional two years left on a contract will keep a player somewhere he doesnt want to be, deluded doesnt go far enough to describe you"

Jesus, right.

Ofcourse not, god deary me!!!.. im saying should the player improve and become an attraction to bigger clubs, those extra 2 years on a contract work in favour of QPR.

Ok its a 4 year deal say were now 2 years down the line, this gives us complete relaxation over which offer if any we want to take. With 2 years left on the players contract we can play the "well he still has 2 years left so we have no need to rush a sale" card...

Therefore we can bargain for more money. Where as if he had say 1 year left on his contract other teams would know we have to sell or risk loseing the player for free at the end of the season. Hence giving us smaller offers that wouldnt meet our asking price.