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  • What's holding Marti back?

    An over riding sentiment towards Marti's style of play is negative football.

    Why is he playing this way? I have seen us play extremely positive, creative football at times this year so the team can do it?

    Is it as simple as injuries disrupting flow, training, cohesiveness? When we do play well, why do we play well? What are the key factors to a positive performance?

    For my part, I do think Marti is too cautious and does hold the players back in terms of what wants them to do. Perhaps he doesn't trust them yet. We don't see alot of flair or individual creativity do we? Maybe our squad does not have it in them, i'd argue they do, even Cook and Dunne have shown flashes of brilliance , because they are professional footballers and even the ones we say are useless, are actually pretty bloody good otherwise they wouldn't have got to this level. The only player i really see consistently try and effect a game in the oppositions half is Saito. Too often though i don't see any support for him, or an option for his creativity to yield a result.

    Perhaps we are lacking that talisman, midfield dynamo, creative number 10. Building a great team takes time, and players have to hit their peaks together and that's really tough. I just feel Marti needs to take more risks, and if that means we lose afew on the way, then we are no worse off than where we are right now. No more square pegs and round holes, lets throw players like Sutton in, let's see if Andersen can thrive in that number 10 (no matter what people say he can connect play really well and pick a pass). Let Saito loose, make sure players run with Smyth to see what he puts in the box not jog up the pitch aimlessly, make youself some space the minute the opposition get near Varane because he can break up play, get posession and just needs something he can do with ball. Same for Ronnie. Tell Nardi and the back line to fire at will when they see space, not hold the ball and wait for a press.

    Basically, more freedom.

  • #2
    So right this.Stop pussyfooting around with the ball and get it in the opponents half and ask them questions.We are not in Spain and not many teams play this style of football in the championship.Its far to slow.Burnley when they went up maybe but came straight down.Its to bloody slow and predictable,the other teams are already organised by the time we get in their half.I want to see a bit of ommmmth in my team not this slow football

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    • #3
      Quite. Martis' methods and thinking have become unfathomable. He seems to have no confidence in the team and plays to try not to lose. Sometimes he seems to take the brakes off in the last quarter, either because we are losing, or I can only think, has some moment of enlightenment.
      Generally Marti's style (if you could call it that) is poor to watch and usually unsuccessful.
      For me, some time in the not too distant future, he needs to be shown the door. Please don't ask me who follows. I have no idea.

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      • #4
        Someone just needs to explain to him that possession stats count for nothing if you can’t score more goals than the oppo. Yes he’s been unlucky with injuries but playing backwards for most of the match is just playing us into trouble

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        • #5
          Sit far too deep can’t break teams down as lack of creativity movement is too slow and don’t have a cf or a cm who can open a side up

          regardless of injuries squad is poor style of football boring to watch

          all in all a poor season with mix of decent at times

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          • #6
            I noticed whilst watching BBC saturation coverage of FA Cup 3rd round that loadsa teams, even L2 ones, were playing "suicide' football like us, y'now trying to walk it out from the back and move up field via 156 sideways passes. It's like watching football under Rugby Union rules: madness!

            I'm afraid Marti is nothing special, he's a sheep following the herd and it's effing painful to watch AND it's not working.

            I reckon that there are coaches out there who have figured out it doesn't work and have abandoned it for the better. I also think there are coaches who have learned how to totally defeat and nullify the tactic. Basically, it's now a bankrupt and futile approach that's almost certainly inappropriate to use by 95% of teams because their players just ain't skilful enough to successfully deliver it.

            I'll stick with it til May but no way am I traipsing the country paying to watch this shite next season.

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            • #7
              Finally , people are starting to see Marti is'nt this great manager that always plays to win (total ######) which is what he said when he first came here. His style is sit deep , don't push too many players forward which normally results in going behind then we seem to start playing but it is too late because we very rarely win games that we go behind in. All this passing around at the back trying to draw the other team on means we normally give the ball away and we concede which is game over. Most teams near the top of leagues , play on the front foot and take the game to the opposition and try to win the game , if you lose , at least the football is better and you tried to win. I personally can't stand negative football and managers like Marti that just try and nick wins. Don't get me wrong i'm not saying he is a poor manager , he's better than people like Ainsworth . I just can't stand his football and would love it if we got rid of him.

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              • #8
                What I will say in Marti's defence is that when we do play football on the front foot, we can look pretty good. Yes we could be alot better but the signs are there. Just wish he'd do it more often.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by topperharley View Post
                  What I will say in Marti's defence is that when we do play football on the front foot, we can look pretty good. Yes we could be alot better but the signs are there. Just wish he'd do it more often.
                  Yes we have played some decent football in short spells this season but not enough and very rarely at the start of games.
                  I was thinking about Leeds team, they play the same formation as us and if you compare the teams man for man , there is'nt that much difference ability wise but performance and results wise they are miles ahead of us. This is down to managers styles, Leeds always play fast attacking front foot football and we play tippy tappy slow walking football.
                  If you start a season playing confidently , attacking football and you win games , this breeds confidence more as you go on , also get less injuries and players crying off with little niggles. We started the season negatively then done enough , thinking we were safe and now confidence is shot and we are in big trouble.

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                  • #10
                    Some really good comments here. When we were playing well this season l thought we could give anyone a game. How and why we have gone so bad is really disappointing. I know we lack certain players and have injuries but Marti doesn’t seem to be able to address that situation successfully. It looks like we are there for the taking every time we play now when in fact as on Saturday we lost to a team that were very beatable

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DJ Hooper W12 View Post
                      Some really good comments here. When we were playing well this season l thought we could give anyone a game. How and why we have gone so bad is really disappointing. I know we lack certain players and have injuries but Marti doesn’t seem to be able to address that situation successfully. It looks like we are there for the taking every time we play now when in fact as on Saturday we lost to a team that were very beatable
                      My over riding thought is that he has the nouse and the personnel to turn this around at Oxford, immediately, but refuses to because he is either scared, does not trust the players or is so stubbornly attached to a playing style that he's going to risk it all, by oddly enough, not risking it all.

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                      • #12
                        After yesterday's dismal Manchester derby there's quite a bit of debate and comment in media today suggesting football has become robotic and dull.
                        Hopefully if there's a groundswell of opinion against "modern methods", coaches will take heed and owners will fret about their bottom line and boot out inflexible managers.

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                        • #13
                          Suspect we are married to playing the same system through the whole club from kids upwards. Must be some wriggle room though. It doesn't seem to suit the players we have and we don't have dosh to buy a new team ...

                          We play with one striker but do not have a prolific striker amongst them (unless Celar discovers his touch once back and doesn't revert to how he started with us). For one striker to work you need goals throughout the team and none of our midfielders come across as types that will be around double figures for a season. Unless there is a dramatic change we will always be a team struggling to score and hoping to win by the odd goal.

                          Don't know what answer is. We do need to play the ball forwards a lot quicker. We have pace in the team and should be using it more. That would help but wouldn't resolve the above.

                          We have been crippled by injuries at times this season including now which doesn't help in all fairness to Marti. Personally I would just put a lump upfront to at least be a focal point and keep a defender or two occupied, whether that is someone playing out of position or a big kid. Let the attacking minded midfielders play closer to said lump and try and feed on any scraps. Trying to play small attacking midfielders up top has given our opponents too easy a time so need to try something else. Keep going as we are and we will be relying on others below us not getting their act together and overtaking us.

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                          • #14
                            Koli has 3 goals and 1 assist in 7 championship starts.
                            4 in 8 if you count the FA Cup.

                            But it was also his inclusion in the starting 11 that saw our upswing in form in December vs Norwich including our first home win and we went from 1 win in 6 (1w-3d-2l) to winning 5 of the next 8.

                            I'm not saying he's prolific, but we have a gem there that needs to get fit and get game time to develop as he could be it.

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                            • #15
                              Marti , has been dogged by injuries
                              Cook
                              Celar
                              Frey
                              Clarke salter
                              Kolli
                              Chair.
                              His football is slow and predictable and so so boring to watch .
                              Get the ball forward as quickly as we can and get efforts on goal .
                              I want to be entertained i turn up every week , I can't go to Oxford not after watching that rubbish last Saturday.
                              Our squad is weak and so are martis tactics .

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