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  • Accounts to 31 May 2024

    The summary points are:

    - Turnover £25.9m up from £23.3m
    - Gate receipts £6.9m up from £5.7m
    - Loss after player trading £13m down from £21.1m
    - Bank reserves of £2.2m
    - Debt £64.8m up from £56.8m

    Full accounts on the Company's House website

  • #2
    Based on last season we're losing £250,000 a week and should be very grateful for the financial backing of our owners. Long may it continue and hopefully we'll have a visit to the prem one day to give us an earned financial boost.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post
      hopefully we'll have a visit to the prem one day to give us an earned financial boost.
      This visit to the Prem is relatively cheap:
      Experience the magic and thrill of Anfield Stadium on a guided tour and immersive yourself in The Liverpool Story interactive museum!



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      • #4
        Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post
        Based on last season we're losing £250,000 a week and should be very grateful for the financial backing of our owners. Long may it continue and hopefully we'll have a visit to the prem one day to give us an earned financial boost.
        We should be naming stands, streets, the entire locale after Ruben really... let's hope his other interests are keeping him in clover cos we certainly aint!

        Below is my attempt to tabulate 9 seasons of drabness (apologies if it appears as hieroglyphics)!
        2016 12th 60pts Haisselbaink
        2017 18th 53pts Holloway
        2018 16th 56pts Holloway
        2019 19th 51pts McClaren
        2020 13th 58pts Warburton
        2021 9th 68pts Warburton
        2022 11th 66pts Warburton
        2023 20th 50pts Ainsworth
        2024 18th 56pts Cifuentes
        Obviously we had mid-season managerial changes a few times. Above names are those who had biggest input into the season but it's not about them, it's more about illustrating we're approaching a whole decade of Championship nothingness. Quite an achievement given most teams manage to get out of the division (either up or down) within that timeframe.

        Anyway, keep at it Ruben - our day will come!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post
          The summary points are:

          - Turnover £25.9m up from £23.3m
          - Gate receipts £6.9m up from £5.7m
          - Loss after player trading £13m down from £21.1m
          - Bank reserves of £2.2m
          - Debt £64.8m up from £56.8m

          Full accounts on the Company's House website
          It still makes pretty solemn reading. I know this puts us in a far better place from a rolling ffp standpoint, but it's not exactly good news on the financial front.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Darkranger View Post

            It still makes pretty solemn reading. I know this puts us in a far better place from a rolling ffp standpoint, but it's not exactly good news on the financial front.
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            Yeah, owners need very deep pockets to fund £250k a week in losses. Without Ruben we'd he heading for L1.

            As Abs has pointed out in his posted, all that investment hasn't reaped any sustainable success.

            I think when we got in trouble with FFP the owners wrote off £180m of loans I think? And there have been more loans that we converted into shares too....maybe another £30-50m, I can't remember. And now we're in debt for another £65m. These guys must have pumped in £300m for a team struggling to get into the play offs. Ruben must have money beyond my understanding.

            I just hope we can get into the prem, if only for one season, so they can take £100m back to stay committed to us.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Abseits View Post

              We should be naming stands, streets, the entire locale after Ruben really... let's hope his other interests are keeping him in clover cos we certainly aint!

              Below is my attempt to tabulate 9 seasons of drabness (apologies if it appears as hieroglyphics)!
              2016 12th 60pts Haisselbaink
              2017 18th 53pts Holloway
              2018 16th 56pts Holloway
              2019 19th 51pts McClaren
              2020 13th 58pts Warburton
              2021 9th 68pts Warburton
              2022 11th 66pts Warburton
              2023 20th 50pts Ainsworth
              2024 18th 56pts Cifuentes
              Obviously we had mid-season managerial changes a few times. Above names are those who had biggest input into the season but it's not about them, it's more about illustrating we're approaching a whole decade of Championship nothingness. Quite an achievement given most teams manage to get out of the division (either up or down) within that timeframe.

              Anyway, keep at it Ruben - our day will come!
              Wow that is some mediocre reading.

              Thanks to the owners for sticking with it, and for learning from mistakes that, at least play a part in those mediocre finishes which must be a factor here, they (at least Tony) dug the FFP hole.

              They've really tried to make us sustainable and in Nourry it looks like they've found a really positive way forward. If we can hang onto what's being created by him, Marti and the 'idea' of this squad no reason we can't be fighting for the high single digit spots for a couple years in sustainable manner.

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              • #8
                I suspect there are a number of clubs in this division in similar situations. Football has become all about the money and aside from the bigger clubs that means managing debt for many. As others have said we have been lucky the owners have stuck with it and written so much off.

                We seem to be doing well in context and some good work has been done in managing said debt. To be financially competitive in this division we basically need to produce a lot more revenue with main things being player sales (actually make some money from that!) and long term a bigger ground if that ever happens.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FurtiveFox View Post
                  I suspect there are a number of clubs in this division in similar situations. Football has become all about the money and aside from the bigger clubs that means managing debt for many. As others have said we have been lucky the owners have stuck with it and written so much off.

                  We seem to be doing well in context and some good work has been done in managing said debt. To be financially competitive in this division we basically need to produce a lot more revenue with main things being player sales (actually make some money from that!) and long term a bigger ground if that ever happens.
                  I agree on player sales and hopefully our recent recruitment will be lucrative in years to come. But in the short term, if the figures below are to be believed, we had a net spend of £3m in the summer. Unfortunately, the two big money signings of Madsen and Celar have been the pits.

                  Transfers: Overview of all signed and sold players of club QPR for the current season.


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                  • #10
                    Following my post above mentioned the poor return from Madsen & Celar from a €6m spend.

                    When was the last time we bought a player for £2m and above and it's been a success? Our ability to waste money on transfer fees seems unlimited. We seem to do better with free transfers?

                    Anyone remember a decent money signings?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SheepRanger View Post
                      Following my post above mentioned the poor return from Madsen & Celar from a €6m spend.

                      When was the last time we bought a player for £2m and above and it's been a success? Our ability to waste money on transfer fees seems unlimited. We seem to do better with free transfers?

                      Anyone remember a decent money signings?
                      Nope, apart from Charlie Austin, I cannot think of a single signing above £2million that could be described as a success.

                      If Madsen did indeed cost £4million then it would appear we still haven't learned from our past mistakes.

                      Our freebies and cheapies have been way more successful than any big money purchase.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Darkranger View Post

                        Nope, apart from Charlie Austin, I cannot think of a single signing above £2million that could be described as a success.

                        If Madsen did indeed cost £4million then it would appear we still haven't learned from our past mistakes.

                        Our freebies and cheapies have been way more successful than any big money purchase.
                        When you think back and this is from memory so please excuse any inaccuracies but players like Les Ferdinand (£6K ish), Trevor Sinclair (£600K ish), Akos Buzacky (£500K ish) were all bargains in terms of relative money/time. Chris Samba and even Jose Bosinga on a free transfer (didn't he demand £8 Million to leave his circa £65K a week salary?) were horendous higher profile signings. We do better when picking up the up and coming players.

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