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  • Points for Survival

    Can't believe I'm writing this thread as this season should have been about promotion and not survival. If you look at my blog you'll see a "Points Per Game" entry detailing what it takes to finish in the top six but this thread is about what is required to stay up.

    Below are the points finishes of the 22nd place team from the previous 10 seasons. 22nd-24th are relegated but as we only need to have a single goal better than the 22nd place team it is a better indication that the 21st place team as to what points we actually need.

    22nd Place
    08/09 - 46 points
    07/08 - 52 points
    06/07 - 42 points
    05/06 - 42 points
    04/05 - 50 points
    03/04 - 51 points
    02/03 - 46 points
    01/02 - 49 points
    00/01 - 48 points
    99/00 - 46 points

    As you can see they range from as low as 42 points to as high as 52 points with the average being 47. The average is slightly dissorted by the range because although 47 points will have actually been enough to survive on 5 of the 10 occassions it will have also been a too small amount to have come anywhere near safety on 5 (50%) of the other occassions.

    Therefore the real figure we need to aim for is the highest figure on that list, which is 52 points. Other than Crystal Palace we have a superior goal difference to all the other sides round us at the bottom so if we do finish level on points chances are that our goal difference should help us. 52 points as you can see has only relegated 1 team (Leicester City) in the previous 10 years (Millwall also went down with 52 points in 1996). With 15 games to go and only 15 points required to achieve the 52 point mark we only need a point a match. To date even with our recent slump we've been achieving 1.19 points per match. At this rate we will finish on 54 points which was good enough to finish 17th last season.

    Since the introduction of 3 points for a win no team has been relegated from the 2nd tier of English football with a points tally of 53 points or more. Thus meaning that unless some remarkable turn of events happen Swansea City yesterday achieved survival with their 1-0 win over Derby. As one of the favourites to go down at the start of the season this is quite an amazing achievement with so many matches to go. Remind me who is their manager?

  • #2
    That would be Sousa.

    We've got a difficult run in though

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    • #3
      we need to win half the games left to ensure safety.. we only have 11 games left now so 4-5 matches need to be a win

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      • #4
        We do have a difficult run in but as I say we need 15 points - 16 max.

        We have Wednesday, Plymouth, Derby and Watford all at home. Reading, Palace and PNE away from home. If we don't get 7 points from those 7 matches then we don't deserve to stay up. The likes of WBA, Newcastle, Swansea and Cardiff are tough matches but they are all at home. The really tricky ties are at Sheff Utd, Leicester and Middlesbrough but if we pick up 10 points against the first 7 opposition then we are almost safe.

        3 wins, 3 losses and 1 draw against Sheff Wed, Plymouth, Derby, Watford, Reading, Palace and PNE is more than achievable.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by W10 RANGER View Post
          we need to win half the games left to ensure safety.. we only have 11 games left now so 4-5 matches need to be a win
          We have 15 games to go. We've only played 31 we still have these matches to play:

          32 27.02.2010 Middlesbrough away
          33 06.03.2010 West Bromwich Albion home
          34 09.03.2010 Plymouth Argyle home
          35 13.03.2010 Sheffield United away
          36 16.03.2010 Reading away
          37 20.03.2010 Swansea City home
          38 23.03.2010 Derby County home
          39 27.03.2010 Preston North End away
          40 03.04.2010 Sheffield Wednesday home
          41 05.04.2010 Leicester City away
          42 10.04.2010 Crystal Palace away
          43 17.04.2010 Cardiff City home
          44 20.04.2010 Watford home
          45 24.04.2010 Barnsley away
          46 02.05.2010 Newcastle United home

          5 wins, 1 draw and 9 losses and we will be safe.

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          • #6
            I've worked out 18pts from that lot

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            • #7
              Nottingham Forest finished with 53 points last season and look where they are now

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sirpiechucker View Post
                We have 15 games to go. We've only played 31 we still have these matches to play:

                32 27.02.2010 Middlesbrough away
                33 06.03.2010 West Bromwich Albion home
                34 09.03.2010 Plymouth Argyle home
                35 13.03.2010 Sheffield United away
                36 16.03.2010 Reading away
                37 20.03.2010 Swansea City home
                38 23.03.2010 Derby County home
                39 27.03.2010 Preston North End away
                40 03.04.2010 Sheffield Wednesday home
                41 05.04.2010 Leicester City away
                42 10.04.2010 Crystal Palace away
                43 17.04.2010 Cardiff City home
                44 20.04.2010 Watford home
                45 24.04.2010 Barnsley away
                46 02.05.2010 Newcastle United home

                5 wins, 1 draw and 9 losses and we will be safe.
                fair enough i stand corrected :shy:

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                • #9
                  Bumped this back up as people are discussing how many more points are required - hope this thread helps.

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                  • #10
                    Wins against Plymouth,Reading,Wednesday and Watford and throw in a couple of draws.

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                    • #11
                      as mentioned earlier we will finish on between 72 - 82 points

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sirpiechucker View Post
                        We have 15 games to go. We've only played 31 we still have these matches to play:

                        32 27.02.2010 Middlesbrough away
                        33 06.03.2010 West Bromwich Albion home
                        34 09.03.2010 Plymouth Argyle home 3pts
                        35 13.03.2010 Sheffield United away 3pts
                        36 16.03.2010 Reading away 3pts
                        37 20.03.2010 Swansea City home 3pts
                        38 23.03.2010 Derby County home 3pts
                        39 27.03.2010 Preston North End away 3pts
                        40 03.04.2010 Sheffield Wednesday home 3pts
                        41 05.04.2010 Leicester City away 1pt
                        42 10.04.2010 Crystal Palace away 3pts
                        43 17.04.2010 Cardiff City home 3pts
                        44 20.04.2010 Watford home 3pts
                        45 24.04.2010 Barnsley away 3pts
                        46 02.05.2010 Newcastle United home 3pts

                        5 wins, 1 draw and 9 losses and we will be safe.
                        I make that 37 Points - added to our current 40 will give us a projected points tally of 77 points

                        SPC - will this be enought for a play off place.
                        I feel very positive

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                        • #13
                          I am confident we will stay up other clubs will go through a bad patch. I reckon we will finish about 12th.

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                          • #14
                            With the league so close this season

                            I'm guessing 52 points will do it for safety

                            70 points will see a play off spot (that is not going to happen)

                            We will probably get around 60-62
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                            • #15
                              Mid table would be nice

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