Transfer rumours

[QPROslo]

Smart thinking, Isleworth. You might be right and we freed up 75k by the move, not 50k, if the original acquisition sum was 600k. In any way, it has worked out well and it made the Andersen signing possible.

[Isleworth116]

I see that Kelman has signed a one year loan agreement with Orient, running until the end of contract period with us. I am quite sure Orient covers his salary, assumed to be modest (£2.000?). Hence, our move to extend his contract in January, even though he was not part of Martis plans, just to save on amortisation costs, to afford to sign Andersen, turned out to be a very shrewd move. It makes me think we are run by smarter people now than before (Nourry/Mari vs Hoos/Ferdinand).

I see a lot of fans over at LFW think we were stupid to prolong Kelmans contract by a year, just to loan him out for a full season thereafter, but they might not have taken time to consider that this was part of a move to be able to sign Andersen without compromising FFP. I do not blame people for not understanding the amortisation rules. The reason to become a football fan is not a wish to study accounting and FFP rules.

Oslo, another thought. Assume Kelman signed for 600k on three year deal with one year option in our favour.

Amortisation, did we spread original 600k over three years, or four years. Include option in calculations.

When Kelman contract expired last season, we had little choice but to exercise option. 150k FFP losses otherwise.

[Abseits]

If we forget last season he could be looked upon as a new signing. With a full pre season he may show us why we got him in ?

"A weird one" - Michael Frey claim made amid mixed QPR spell (footballleagueworld.co.uk)

Yes. The few games I saw him he looked the part - have to say he looked lively, mobile and physically "up for it" in terms of battling in the EFL.. it felt to me like he was being lined up as Lyndon's replacement should we decide to cash-in on Dykes. It will indeed be interesting to see what he can do if he's injury-free and raring to go with a full pre-season under his belt.

What with Kohli coming back from injury we might suddenly be looking at having some decent options up top with competition for places. Armstrong will need to get his head straight and get focussed on the here and now or he could find himself down the pecking order and a peripheral figure otherwise.

[LoftusRoadLad]

If we forget last season he could be looked upon as a new signing. With a full pre season he may show us why we got him in ?

"A weird one" - Michael Frey claim made amid mixed QPR spell (footballleagueworld.co.uk)

[QPROslo]

This is how I understand the Kelman situation:

We started the January transfer window with no funds to strengthen the team. We had to be creative, to find ways to strengthen, if we should increase the chance of avoiding relegation. The loan deal of Dozzell was a gift sent from heaven and contributed well. Firstly, it freed up salaries of around £10k a week. On top, I assume we received a loan fee as he went to a competitor. It was also helpful that Sutton took Duke-McKenna on loan.

However, this might have been enough to get the three first signings across the line (Frey, Hodge, Hayden), but we needed a bit of extra creativity to afford Andersen.

This is where Kelman came into the picture. Kelmans contract was due to expire in June 2024. The club announced that we had extended it in connection with the loan deal signed with Wigan in January this year. Contracts for players registered for the first team have to run until the end of the season (they cannot expire in the midst of a season), so we extended it until 30 June 2025.

I am quite sure Marti doesn't expect Kelman to feature for QPR next season. He is not part of Martis plans, as he is simply not good enough. So why did we prolong his contract? Here is my take:

By extending Kelmans contract, the cost of amortising the acquisition costs of Kelman (the original transfer fee and any sign on fee we paid in 2020) will be spread over a longer period, which led to a saving in the the way FFP is computed in the 23/24 season. .

What does this mean in monetary term: Lets say we paid £600.000 for Kelman on a three year contract in 2000. This meant that we had to amortise the costs over three seasons, which would be £200.000 per season. When we extended the contract for the first time in 2023, the amortisation for the third season was suddenly spread over two seasons, with £100.000 in 22/23 and £100.000 in 23/24.

By extending his contract again (for a second time) in January 2024, we managed to spread the final £100.000 over two season, so £50.000 in 23/24 and £50.000 in 24/25. Hence, we freed up £50.000 in January (in the way FFP is calculated) that could go towards securing a deal with Andersen. We were sailing so close the the wind that this small amount was make it or break it when it came to Andersens signing.

Kelman's salary is modest, so the club took the risk, knowing it would allow us to sign Andersen without jeopardising the FFP limits. I think it was a clever move.

I think we will look to loan Kelman to Wigan or any other club, or to sell him or let him leave on the free, if he finds a new club. He is not part of our plans. But right now, he is contracted to June 2025.

I see that Kelman has signed a one year loan agreement with Orient, running until the end of contract period with us. I am quite sure Orient covers his salary, assumed to be modest (£2.000?). Hence, our move to extend his contract in January, even though he was not part of Martis plans, just to save on amortisation costs, to afford to sign Andersen, turned out to be a very shrewd move. It makes me think we are run by smarter people now than before (Nourry/Mari vs Hoos/Ferdinand).

I see a lot of fans over at LFW think we were stupid to prolong Kelmans contract by a year, just to loan him out for a full season thereafter, but they might not have taken time to consider that this was part of a move to be able to sign Andersen without compromising FFP. I do not blame people for not understanding the amortisation rules. The reason to become a football fan is not a wish to study accounting and FFP rules.

[WeAreQPR12]

Cheers Jeff, that's fantastic news about Willock and that a deal isn't completely dead and I like the sound of this full back, certainly sounds like a very technical player

[Jeffqpr]

https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-qpr-look-to-complete-signing-of-defender

[WeAreQPR12]

Rocco Friel plays right back.

He's gone into the development side and 17. Let's hope we sign a left back, fox is steady but hardly dynamic. We need a little bit more from our full backs.

[Isleworth116]

Did we not sign that Scottish left back on a four year deal? Maybe too young at 18, however, he was sign with some planning for sure.

Rocco Friel plays right back.

[Martinmalta]

Did we not sign that Scottish left back on a four year deal? Maybe too young at 18, however, he was sign with some planning for sure.

[Abseits]

What's wrong with Larkeche at left back? Surely he's not another player who will be endlessly loaned out before we finally bin him? Times I've seen him he seems equally as effective as Paal. If we sell KP I'd be content with letting Fox and Larkeche fight it out for the jersey. Obviously if the club can source a better LB I wouldn't complain but we ain't made of money and LB isn't top of the "must do" list in my view.

[SheepRanger]

I guess even £1m works out to an extra £20k a week to the budget so shouldn't be sniffed at.

[Isleworth116]

I think Paal decent championship left back. Like to keep him, but we have to sell players, find replacements.

For me, decent offer, sell.

[shaggy24]

If fox can stay fit he’s better than paal who I think has been better since Anderson arrived and paals miles away from set pieces but honestly I think he’s bang average fox and a youth back up will do or replace paal

[Sleeping Giants]

Maybe a bit early as season not quite over but should be an interesting summer.

Not seen anything about incomings but so far on outgoings:

Begovic - Celtic

JCS - various clubs

Willock - Sunderland

Marti - Sunderland

Obviously two of those out of contract and would be surprised if Willock signed a new contract although not ruling it out entirely.

JCS agree with other posters that whilst would love him to stay he is down to two years so time to sell to get maximum amount.

Don't think much point Marti going somewhere like Sunderland. Yes bigger club but potential for next year or two not really markedly better than us. If he is tempted believe it will be lower Prem, very top end Champiionship or abroad. Am hoping he will want to stay at least another year.

On outgoings, Watford looking at Paal who has only 1 year left on his contract with QPR.