Ukraine day

[FurtiveFox]

Id like the club to have QPR fans day where there is no trauma we simply go on the pitch do the business get three points everyone can go home happy with three points and enjoy a beer.

Not too much to ask is it ?

No trauma watching QPR? Now we have entered fantasy land.

[WeAreQPR12]

So you think it's our war do you, i can tell you that it nothing to do with us the same as when we went into Iraq, and destroyed that region look what's happening now with all the terrorist attacks since then, we need to de escalate the situation not add to it by giving tank's missiles and fighter plane's,get around the table and try to find a solution, that's the only way this end's well.

Sit around the table with Putin let him have all of Ukraine and the remaining soviet country's and all play happy families brilliant Herts let's negotiate with a lunatic. If we had a genius like you we could of stopped world war 2

[Herts hoops]

Sit around the table with Putin let him have all of Ukraine and the remaining soviet country's and all play happy families brilliant Herts let's negotiate with a lunatic. If we had a genius like you we could of stopped world war 2

So let's go to war then you genius

[FurtiveFox]

One of the lessons to be learned from history is if you stand by and allow a predator to pick off other countries then there is a risk they will get to you. Putin has already said in the past the disbandment of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs to be remedied. Ukraine would just be the first. If he is just allowed to invade neighbouring countries and is successful then eventually not only will we be at risk of him expanding his ambitions further but we would be facing a larger and more powerful enemy. What we and the other countries assisting are trying to do is give whatever support we can without triggering an all out war. Given Putin had hoped Ukraine would be his almost immediately and how they still stand strong against him the West's (and allies) plan is working probably as well as it can.

While all this is going on the victims on the ground are the people and I can assure you they would rather be skint than being bombed. We have it pretty good overall in this country.

[SheepRanger]

One of the lessons to be learned from history is if you stand by and allow a predator to pick off other countries then there is a risk they will get to you. Putin has already said in the past the disbandment of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs to be remedied. Ukraine would just be the first. If he is just allowed to invade neighbouring countries and is successful then eventually not only will we be at risk of him expanding his ambitions further but we would be facing a larger and more powerful enemy. What we and the other countries assisting are trying to do is give whatever support we can without triggering an all out war. Given Putin had hoped Ukraine would be his almost immediately and how they still stand strong against him the West's (and allies) plan is working probably as well as it can.

While all this is going on the victims on the ground are the people and I can assure you they would rather be skint than being bombed. We have it pretty good overall in this country.

But i dont think we'll get to the point where there is a winner. Putin wont win and he wont be faced with losing in case he lets off a nuclear weapon. The West will support Ukraine as much as it can to ensure existing gains are maintained until Putin dies, or he decides Ukraine has taken its hiding and it drops EU/Nato ambitions and Russian heritage is not erased.

We do have it good, on the whole, but we are paying the highest rates of tax in 70 years. On that basis, Im happy with the Govt support to Ukraine and my wallet will be closed to the bucket rattlers. I am contributing to Ukraine through my tax "contributions".

Its about time mainland Europe grew a pair and did more and wake up to the situation. After all, its their precious EU that has been courting Ukraine for many years and in part has been poking the russian bear. So, deal with your ####.

Putin cannot be negotiated out of this as he signed the Minsk Agreement and subsequently ignored it and ripped it up. Other agreements have been ignored too.

[FurtiveFox]

But i dont think we'll get to the point where there is a winner. Putin wont win and he wont be faced with losing in case he lets off a nuclear weapon. The West will support Ukraine as much as it can to ensure existing gains are maintained until Putin dies, or he decides Ukraine has taken its hiding and it drops EU/Nato ambitions and Russian heritage is not erased.

We do have it good, on the whole, but we are paying the highest rates of tax in 70 years. On that basis, Im happy with the Govt support to Ukraine and my wallet will be closed to the bucket rattlers. I am contributing to Ukraine through my tax "contributions".

Its about time mainland Europe grew a pair and did more and wake up to the situation. After all, its their precious EU that has been courting Ukraine for many years and in part has been poking the russian bear. So, deal with your ####.

Putin cannot be negotiated out of this as he signed the Minsk Agreement and subsequently ignored it and ripped it up. Other agreements have been ignored too.

Don't disagree with you on likelihood of there being a winner. Best realistic scenario would mean Ukraine would have to back down and cede some territory and Russia would similarly have to back down whilst making it look to their public they had done what they had set out to do and bloodied the nose of the West while they were at it. Following that after some time maybe Ukraine joining Nato although that would be politically difficult. Other possible scenario is Putin being overthrown as all this starts being too damaging to big players in Russia although I personally am not expecting that anytime soon.

My own tax contributions going up 6% from April so not overly happy as effectively means I am being penalised to help pay tax credits and benefits, a lot of which shouldn't even exist but that's life. Overall, having done my time being skint and having my shares of ups and downs, life isn't bad. I do give to charity when I remember but should do more. This is one of the best countries in the world to live in and being here is just an accident of birth. If you are unlucky enough to have been born in a lot of other countries you really have got some problems.

Personally don't have an issue with QPR having a Ukraine day. Just wish we weren't so #### so often on the pitch. Ruins too many weekends.

[ukrranger]

Ukraine is fighting our war. This is a clash of civilisations - the democratic, liberal world vs the anti democratic one. It is not very different from WWII - when the ideology of the nazi stood against the ideology of democracies in the West. If the Russians win this war, who's next? It is made even more complicated by the link between Russia and China.

When Britain and the other allies needed help during WWII, USA hesitated for a long time, but eventually decided to support Britain and other countries that fought Germany. The lend lease plan was a massive support package, similar to what is now provided by USA and Europe to Ukraine.

On top of this, millions of private individuals in USA supported in various ways. When Pearl Harbour was attacked, USA entered the war itself.

I am quite sure there were loads of poor people in USA in the 40s, but this did not stop normal Americans from seeing the bigger picture, and they provided a lot of support to Britain. There were charities set up all across America every day - also at sport events. Britain fought the war on behalf of the entire free world, next to some other countries, and were desperate for support.

I am proud that my club supports Ukraine at this paramount time. I can support both the Ukrainians that fight on our behalf and the poor ones in my own country - it is not either or.

Thank you very much my friend for your support!