Sack Warbs 2

[Dono77]

Something is very wrong in that dressing room. We have a manager who is shocking when choosing his subs and when to make them. His excuse that he took gray off cos he's played a lot lately was the final straw!! We are 3-1 down and he takes off a guy who has scored in his last 3/4 games and puts on Austin on his own up top!! He's telling us that a guy paid to play every week at the age of 30 is incapable of playing 90 mins!!! Ffs!! Send hendrick back to geordieland. He's crap. Stick with dozzell/ball/stef till end of season. Throw Sterling in for a couple of games. Wallace is done. Get rid anyway. Guy gets injured pulling his socks up. Can't blame him at 34 and being asked to cover the length of the pitch. Same for uncle. Brainless set up from our manager. We've been crap since Jan.

[QPRDave]

I wasn't set on his sacking at all until now.

I do wonder what another manager would do with this squad. I can't decide how much of the teams ups and downs (which have been dramatic) over the last 18 months are down to the manager, the players, luck, or a bit of all 3.

Surely the players are better than this?

The players have been awful on occasions recently, absolutely awful.
What the hell has happened?
Yet we know how good they can be.
There must be unrest in the camp must be.
They can play attractive passing football and we should try to stick to that, but this passing around our own goal is tedious, and I'm surprised the oppo aren't lighting up cigarettes and waiting for us to attack

[Macca]

I backed Warburton but the last ten games proves he doesn't have a plan B or C and now he hasn't even got a plan A, time for the owners if they feel anything for the club is get rid of him now, I'm sure he is a really nice guy perhaps to nice.

[stanistheman]

I wanted to be patient but today was the final straw. His subs made no sense at all (same way they didn’t against Cardiff or Forest).
Austin should have partnered Gray not replace him. As for Hendrick replacing Amos words fail me.

we needed to score at least 2 goals and he replaced the scorer and the player who had scored 3 in 3 games!! What a numbskull.

As for dropping Barbet that surely has backfired with 6 goals conceded in 2 games.

He has stuck with 3 CBs even though it clearly is no longer working. Surely by dropping Barbet it gave him the opportunity to change to a 4 man defence.

This season we have lost 2 league games against Peterborough, 1 and 1 draw against Barnsley and drawn against Hull and Reading - 4 sides in the bottom 5 .

I agree Farke could be a good shout as a replacement.

[Shania]

Cooper at Forest has proven that with pretty much the same squad as his predecessor what can be done. Before he brought in a few in January, they were still on the up.

Sack MW now and try to save our season

Get Daniel Franke in on a short time contract. Or even Eustace.

[Harrow QPR]

I keep looking at the yellow bar on sky waiting for the breaking news of Mark Warburton sacked . Come on Rangers hurry up and put me out of my misery.

[Rebel R's]

I keep looking at the yellow bar on sky waiting for the breaking news of Mark Warburton sacked . Come on Rangers hurry up and put me out of my misery.

You are in for a disappointment so ,there is no way the board will sack Warburton now ,if and I mean if they decide to do that it wont be until the season ends.
I predict Warburton will be our manager going into next season .

[Qprtanpa1]

MW already articulating his post-season narrative.

https://the72.co.uk/267094/warburton...-willock-blow/

The problem is he shows no signs of adjusting ANYTHING in his coaching or tactical approach, meaning what we’ve seen the past two months will be a preview of QPR’s campaign next season.

And unlike this season, buoyed by a solid first half, it’s just as likely we will be facing relegation as embracing a push for promotion.

Slow passing from slow players on the back line, aging veterans being overplayed and over-favored, and young talents having to fight for meaningful game time.

Until or unless MW admits his coaching tactics and player selection were in hindsight futile and flawed, that he will learn from it and show that on the field next season, the majority of fans will not be looking forward to the promise of next season but hiding from it.

[shaggy24]

He won't be sacked. He's a part of a long term project and I doubt we were expected to be doing anything more than challenging for a play-off place this season. We are still doing that.

Looking at it from the club's point-of-view, the choice is to either;

1. Sack him and spend a load more money on compensation and getting a replacement in with no guarantee of any improvement. The replacement manager will then likely want to re-vamp the squad again.
2. Keep him in place and give him the chance to turn things around. If it doesn't happen then we'll miss out on the play-offs and he'll have another transfer window to make further improvements to the squad before next season.

I may be wrong but my money's on scenario #2.

Thought Warbs was on a rolling contract part of clubs new ethos not giving long contracts?

Keeping him for next season will only continue to roll out same excuses, now im all for continuity but ffs we got turned over three f kin times by Peterborough which tells me he has no idea on putting mistakes made previous right the following time its not as if there man city or liverpool. even my in laws know if they get closed down quick the lose possession and concede why the hell a manager cant work it out is abysmal. either players hover downed tools and flip flops are out or he has lost the dressing room. Hendrick has been a liability and he has no idea on changing a game with subs. for me he's stabilised us done well but since xmas we've been garbage

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Don't agree with sacking him at all.

He has not become a bad manager overnight he has simply f@cked up by tinkering the wrong positions at the wrong time. He's panicked.

Next game, drop Sanderson, drop Hendrick and bring our own players back into the mix. The players that got us to the top parts of the league before these 2 clowns arrived.

[topperharley]

Don't agree with sacking him at all.

He has not become a bad manager overnight he has simply f@cked up by tinkering the wrong positions at the wrong time. He's panicked.

Needs a deep state analysis really.

He got this team playing some brilliant football latter half of the last season and first few months of this one. We have not been firing that way since early January.

I would suggest the issue is not as simple as the manager. Opposition reading us, player injuries, player efforts, DOF, schedule etc etc can all be trollied out as excuses.

However, regardless of how many excuses can be found for the last few months, the buck stops with the manager, that's the setup these days and his is the first head to roll. Given all we know it appears he is at fault, players always share some of the blame but some of the play that is absolutely holding us back is them doing what they are told to do. They don't decide on subs either.

I'd bet most fans would have taken this position at the start of the season, but the manner in which we are here is disturbing when looking toward the future and where we really should be in the table with the way we were playing before the New Year.

[Qprtanpa1]

Needs a deep state analysis really.

He got this team playing some brilliant football latter half of the last season and first few months of this one. We have not been firing that way since early January.

I would suggest the issue is not as simple as the manager. Opposition reading us, player injuries, player efforts, DOF, schedule etc etc can all be trollied out as excuses.

However, regardless of how many excuses can be found for the last few months, the buck stops with the manager, that's the setup these days and his is the first head to roll. Given all we know it appears he is at fault, players always share some of the blame but some of the play that is absolutely holding us back is them doing what they are told to do. They don't decide on subs either.

I'd bet most fans would have taken this position at the start of the season, but the manner in which we are here is disturbing when looking toward the future and where we really should be in the table with the way we were playing before the New Year.

I totally get your point of view, but the question moving forward is simply this: Has MW taken us as far as his coaching abilities allow? The increasing body of evidence suggests MW has. We owe him for so many things — class and character, steadying the ship — but his tactical skills seem sorely sub-par, and given our low budget makeup we can’t afford for that to be a glaring weakness that others willfully exploit.

[topperharley]

I totally get your point of view, but the question moving forward is simply this: Has MW taken us as far as his coaching abilities allow? The increasing body of evidence suggests MW has. We owe him for so many things — class and character, steadying the ship — but his tactical skills seem sorely sub-par, and given our low budget makeup we can’t afford for that to be a glaring weakness that others willfully exploit.

Yeah i did a post on this a while back comparing our trajectory to Brentford's. I think maybe yeah, it has gone as far as it can with him.

The end for me was against Forest when he wholesale changed the midfield Amos/Dozzell off for Hendrick/Stef, showed a complete misunderstanding of the situation and for me cost us that game. Isolated would be put down to just getting it wrong, everyone makes mistakes, but looking at the bigger picture it highlights that he is not seeing things that are quite obvious to many fans. We aren't privy to all the info but we know what the game looks like, what's happening, who is playing well and who isn't.

That and the constant square peg round hole setups trying to shoe horn players in to make a formation work, even if it did work for a while.

[stanistheman]

I agree that he probably won’t be sacked and also that he has taken us as far as he can (I said this in the original version of this thread).

His substitutions against Forest and Peterborough clearly highlighted his limitations. We lost the Forest game because of them and had no way of getting back into yesterday’s because of them.

we have not really played with 2 strikers this season (we did 2nd half of last) and although we played some good football earlier this season opponents have now sussed us up and he stubbornly refuses to adapt his tactics.

Yesterday we needed to have a striker to win aerial balls and another to get on to the 2nd ball, but he got that totally wrong and imho, his after match waffle confirms that he doesn’t accept or even understand that.

I can’t see him changing anything for the Fulham game.

I also agree that the loan signings of Sanderson and Hendrick appear to have unsettled the squad and I don’t think we even needed them. we had De Wijs and Masterson plus Duke-McKenna and Bettache available.

I would now drop both of them to the bench and only bring them on if needed.
I feel for Barbet as he did not deserve to be dropped (and 6 goals conceded would suggest that it was a mistake).

And if Dykes is still unavailable for the Fulham game he surely has to select an U23 striker for the match day squad. He has nothing to lose by doing so as the way things are going we will be finishing outside of the playoffs anyway.

I also agree that before the season began most of us would have happily accepted to be where we are now. The disappointment is that we were well placed and should have added attacking players to our squad in January. it is now quite galling to see Huddersfield and more so, Luton above us and in with a shout for automatic promotion. This is what is really hurting.

Dembele did not cost too much for Bournemouth and we probably could have afforded to buy him ( he ticked the boxes for the kind of player we go for in how he plays and could be developed and sold on for a profit) , but it seems MW wanted to stick with what he had.

[topperharley]

The only reason to drop Barbet if uninjured would be to phase him out becauase he's off back to France at the end of the season.

But considering Sanderson is he replacement who is a loan signing, unless there is an option to buy it makes no sense. Liked the look of Sanderson, there is a player there, obviously not working at the moment.

I don't think we create enough chances to be blaming strikers too much. They have all been asked to play above their station as a lone wolf and none of them can do that. Last year Dykes and Charlie formed a very good bond. Strikers like our need partners and balls into the box. Baffing that Warbs can't see that. Closest he's come is put Willock as a #10, which was reasonably effective with 1 striker but with 2 would've been deadly.

Completely agree with the above on those substitutions, Hendrick was a baffling loan signing (At the time defensive cover was a good shout). No idea why we didn't go for wingbacks or a striker. I guess nothing available as the clubs transfer policy has been excellent until the Jan window.