Sheff utd postponed due to covid

[Fraggy]

Oh my god, conspiracy theory alert. Was talking to a doctor the other night, virtually all the people he says he has to treat in hospital now are anti-vaxers. Many of them regretful that they had been so dumb. There aren't two sides to this: people who think covid is not real or not a risk are just plain dumb. Its not one of those nice fluffy subjects where two people can have different but perfectly valid opinions. Covid kills, slightly despair of anyone who hasn't grasped that yet.

Not an anti vaxxer, as I have had almost every vaccine on the planet during my life and travels, except covid.
I had covid in Jan 2020, and it hit me like a bad flu, but nothing more, and I'm not the healthiest individual out there.
My mum died for 8 minutes after her 2nd jab (1st jab made her fairly ill, 2nd jab would of killed her, if it wasn't for the quick response of the London ambulance service).
Her a-hole doc is still trying to convince her she now needs a booster.
What stopped her heart was clotting of the arteries leading to the heart. She now has to have a nurse come to her house everyday, after spending over 3 weeks in hospital, attend weekly hospital appointments and has internal bleeding. A huge strain on the nhs I am sure you will agree.

As one of those plain dumb people, please answer me this Stains, as I am obviously too dumb to work this out for myself.
My question to you my medical professional is: Whether I have 1 jab, 2 jabs 3 jabs or more, I am still able to contract covid and pass it on?

Now if I am right, getting jabbed is about lessening the symptoms, therefore, lessening the impact of those poor over worked nhs fookers, so they can get back to more important stuff, like Tik Tok videos.
So, if I was fully jabbed, and I caught covid, I would either have no symptoms (yay), or very mild cold like symptoms?
So far so good.
Now, unless I rapid test myself every single day, I could actually have covid, and be spreading it all over without even knowing it.
I know I am dumb, and Stains, I apologize for being so dumb. Ever since I stopped paying attention to the BBC, I seem to have become dumber.
But surely, even you can see the flaw in this approach?
You Stains could actually have covid (I am assuming you are fully jabbed and just waiting on your booster), and because you are vaccinated, you may have little to no symptoms, and could actually infect vulnerable people without knowing.

Please forgive me for my weak debating skills on this subject matter. I have tried to discuss this with pro vaxxers on many different platforms, and most (not all), just tend to repeat the same stuff about me being selfish and killing their granny, when I address that concern, they just raise their voice and keep repeating the same stuff.

I am open to being educated, but not with government appointed medical professionals blurbs.
Why are so many non government medical professionals being gagged?
Why is the main social media platforms so quick to shutdown debate if you dare give an alternative to what the main news outlets are saying?

Also, while you are researching for me, could you also provide the stats for the 2020/2021 flu season infection rates with a year over year comparison?

Cheers

[QPRDave]

Oh my god, conspiracy theory alert. Was talking to a doctor the other night, virtually all the people he says he has to treat in hospital now are anti-vaxers. Many of them regretful that they had been so dumb. There aren't two sides to this: people who think covid is not real or not a risk are just plain dumb. Its not one of those nice fluffy subjects where two people can have different but perfectly valid opinions. Covid kills, slightly despair of anyone who hasn't grasped that yet.

I have left this site simply down to the mods on here who are dishonest to be perfectly frank.
But this arrogant, ignorant, blinkered individual cannot be allowed to spew out these lies.
Firstly I have to inform you that anyone who is double jabbed but not had a booster are now counted as unvaxxed, so that is a very short step to throwing the label antivaxer around, as we have already seen, and you readily gobble up as truth.
So it wouldn't surprise me if these people are double jabbed.
But hey I will accept some maybe unvaxxed.
Now, covid kills.....So does driving a car into a building at high speed.
Flu kills, did you know?
Stroke kills, heart attacks kill, and the list goes on.
The fact that 99+% of people who contract this will NOT DIE has been lost in the hysteria.
You need to calm down and just review the last week of reports coming out of Downing Street last Christmas.
That's tells you all any of us need to know about how dangerous this bug is.
Oh and btw I caught covid and had flu like symptoms.......for TWO DAYS!!
Now you live your life anyway you like get jabbed once a month I don't mind or care, but allow others to do the same.
And anyone unvaxxed are the same threat to you and your loved ones as a vaxxed person.
I caught it from a vaccinated person.

[Fraggy]

I have left this site simply down to the mods on here who are dishonest to be perfectly frank.
But this arrogant, ignorant, blinkered individual cannot be allowed to spew out these lies.
Firstly I have to inform you that anyone who is double jabbed but not had a booster are now counted as unvaxxed, so that is a very short step to throwing the label antivaxer around, as we have already seen, and you readily gobble up as truth.
So it wouldn't surprise me if these people are double jabbed.
But hey I will accept some maybe unvaxxed.
Now, covid kills.....So does driving a car into a building at high speed.
Flu kills, did you know?
Stroke kills, heart attacks kill, and the list goes on.
The fact that 99+% of people who contract this will NOT DIE has been lost in the hysteria.
You need to calm down and just review the last week of reports coming out of Downing Street last Christmas.
That's tells you all any of us need to know about how dangerous this bug is.
Oh and btw I caught covid and had flu like symptoms.......for TWO DAYS!!
Now you live your life anyway you like get jabbed once a month I don't mind or care, but allow others to do the same.
And anyone unvaxxed are the same threat to you and your loved ones as a vaxxed person.
I caught it from a vaccinated person.

Hey mate, could you email me please?

[Ronnie Rangers]

Oh my god, conspiracy theory alert. Was talking to a doctor the other night, virtually all the people he says he has to treat in hospital now are anti-vaxers. Many of them regretful that they had been so dumb. There aren't two sides to this: people who think covid is not real or not a risk are just plain dumb. Its not one of those nice fluffy subjects where two people can have different but perfectly valid opinions. Covid kills, slightly despair of anyone who hasn't grasped that yet.

You spell it out saying there are not two sides to this, thought there was two sides to everything, Girl I work with aged 32 had a stroke caused by Blood clots from getting the Jab, not hearsay she is a friend of mine, I also directly Know a 42 year old Man who has Died of a Heart Attack, caused by inflammation of the Heart after Jab, if you search you will find lots of similar stories, lots of elite super fit people, including many Football players have also died of Heart Problems but it's not being made common Knowledge, I work in a Care Home, people including old frail Residents test positive all the time and no-one has become ill, we had an outbreak before the Jab and not one person got sick in the slightest save from mild Flu.
If it hadn't been all over TV and mainstream media and still is, people were not being tested,,then how many of us would even no there was a problem.

[3London]

Bringing it back to Football as i think that's what this forum is ...although sometimes its hard to tell.

on good thing to come out of these postponements is that 2 important games that would have been played without any recognised wing backs and our Number 9 will hopefully be rearranged for when then are back with the team and we are in a better place re injuries. I think the stoke game was where it all caught up with us so a couple of weeks break is no bad thing.

[QPRDave]

Hey mate, could you email me please?

Where do I find your email?

[Fraggy]

Where do I find your email?

Same email we chatted back n forth on last year.
I tried emailing you, but looks like that email is no longer in service.

[QPRDave]

Ah....... was it my Yahoo email?

[KevC59]

Bringing it back to Football as i think that's what this forum is ...although sometimes its hard to tell.

on good thing to come out of these postponements is that 2 important games that would have been played without any recognised wing backs and our Number 9 will hopefully be rearranged for when then are back with the team and we are in a better place re injuries. I think the stoke game was where it all caught up with us so a couple of weeks break is no bad thing.

Agreed, all that stuff is an immotive issue, and probably best to put it to bed on this forum, and yes it could be a total blessing in disguise for us in the long term regarding getting our key players back, especially if the AFCON gets cancelled, not sure if that will happen, but you have to admit it's on the cards!!
so it's time to kick back for a little while until the Bournemouth game, hope that every team around us have nightmares in whatever games they have, and reap the rewards in a few weeks time.
Overly optimistic on my part? Too bloody right

[stainrodisalegend]

Not an anti vaxxer, as I have had almost every vaccine on the planet during my life and travels, except covid.
I had covid in Jan 2020, and it hit me like a bad flu, but nothing more, and I'm not the healthiest individual out there.
My mum died for 8 minutes after her 2nd jab (1st jab made her fairly ill, 2nd jab would of killed her, if it wasn't for the quick response of the London ambulance service).
Her a-hole doc is still trying to convince her she now needs a booster.
What stopped her heart was clotting of the arteries leading to the heart. She now has to have a nurse come to her house everyday, after spending over 3 weeks in hospital, attend weekly hospital appointments and has internal bleeding. A huge strain on the nhs I am sure you will agree.

As one of those plain dumb people, please answer me this Stains, as I am obviously too dumb to work this out for myself.
My question to you my medical professional is: Whether I have 1 jab, 2 jabs 3 jabs or more, I am still able to contract covid and pass it on?

Now if I am right, getting jabbed is about lessening the symptoms, therefore, lessening the impact of those poor over worked nhs fookers, so they can get back to more important stuff, like Tik Tok videos.
So, if I was fully jabbed, and I caught covid, I would either have no symptoms (yay), or very mild cold like symptoms?
So far so good.
Now, unless I rapid test myself every single day, I could actually have covid, and be spreading it all over without even knowing it.
I know I am dumb, and Stains, I apologize for being so dumb. Ever since I stopped paying attention to the BBC, I seem to have become dumber.
But surely, even you can see the flaw in this approach?
You Stains could actually have covid (I am assuming you are fully jabbed and just waiting on your booster), and because you are vaccinated, you may have little to no symptoms, and could actually infect vulnerable people without knowing.

Please forgive me for my weak debating skills on this subject matter. I have tried to discuss this with pro vaxxers on many different platforms, and most (not all), just tend to repeat the same stuff about me being selfish and killing their granny, when I address that concern, they just raise their voice and keep repeating the same stuff.

I am open to being educated, but not with government appointed medical professionals blurbs.
Why are so many non government medical professionals being gagged?
Why is the main social media platforms so quick to shutdown debate if you dare give an alternative to what the main news outlets are saying?

Also, while you are researching for me, could you also provide the stats for the 2020/2021 flu season infection rates with a year over year comparison?

Cheers

Hi Fraggy: first off I am not calling you dumb, I don't think I have ever personally insulted a fellow R on this site (think I was once quite rude to Graham the Gardener, but he was Cardiff). I was calling dumb those people who deny Covid exists or who claim it is harmless - that doesn't seem to include you.

In answer to your points.

You say:

"Now if I am right, getting jabbed is about lessening the symptoms".

No, the main point of getting jabbed is to reduce your chances of getting Covid. There remains a risk you will still get it, but less. Have not gone back to check but from memory the chief medical officer said typically if you are double jabbed you only have about a 10-15 per cent protection against this new variant. If you have the booster it goes up to about 75%. If you have had covid that also increases your protection because of the anti-bodies. So no one (as far as I'm aware) is claiming its complete protection, but it reduces your risk.

As for lessening the symptoms, that tends to be a secondary benefit, as GENERALLY SPEAKING the more you have been vaxed, the milder it seems you will get it. But again this is dealing with the balance of probabilities. There have been people who have had both injections and the booster and still died - tho not (as far as I am aware) very many.

I fully accept I could pass on Covid - never claimed anything different. But again, ON THE BALANCE OF PROBABILITIES, the more you have been vaccinated, the less likely you are to have it, so therefore the less likely you are to pass it on.

Re your question about flu: believe circa 20,000 a year die of flu (tho in v bad winters it can be higher). So far there have been 147,000 deaths due to covid in the UK alone.

To bring it back to football: if you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to get covid, so therefore you are more likely to be fit enough to do the job for which you are very well paid. That was my point, and I think Mark Warburton's too.

No hard feelings I hope.

[stainrodisalegend]

You spell it out saying there are not two sides to this, thought there was two sides to everything, Girl I work with aged 32 had a stroke caused by Blood clots from getting the Jab, not hearsay she is a friend of mine, I also directly Know a 42 year old Man who has Died of a Heart Attack, caused by inflammation of the Heart after Jab, if you search you will find lots of similar stories, lots of elite super fit people, including many Football players have also died of Heart Problems but it's not being made common Knowledge, I work in a Care Home, people including old frail Residents test positive all the time and no-one has become ill, we had an outbreak before the Jab and not one person got sick in the slightest save from mild Flu.
If it hadn't been all over TV and mainstream media and still is, people were not being tested,,then how many of us would even no there was a problem.

I think a lot of British families would notice some abnormal deaths when 147,000 Britons have died due to covid.

Fully accept there are a tiny number of people who do react very badly to it - my sister-in-law among them. I'm not a defender of this govt as think Boris and his mates are total clowns but I do respect the chief medical officer who is an intelligent person trying to save lives. He has always acknowledged that there is a very small risk that you might have an adverse reaction. It even says so on the form you are given to read when you get your jab, so there is no conspiracy here! But there have been 5.3 million people who have died world wide from covid. I think even you would admit that the amount of deaths that could possibly be blamed on taking the vaccine is a tiny number compared to that. Therefore, statistically you are much, much more likely to die of covid than of the jab.

I totally get that if you have a very bad reaction to it - like you mum - you would not want the booster. I hope she is as well as can be expected and am really sorry to hear what she (and you) went thru.

However, speaking more generally, its really important not to conflate someone being taken seriously ill after they happen to have had the vaccine, and the vaccine causing them to be ill. People die and get very ill all the time for all sorts of reasons. So an adverse reaction to the jab MIGHT be the cause, but it COULD Just as easily be that, for example, they had an undetected heart condition and they would have died anyway.

But totally get that this is straying off subject, and happy to return to talking football. Again, no hard feelings I hope.

[SheepRanger]

Hi Fraggy: first off I am not calling you dumb, I don't think I have ever personally insulted a fellow R on this site (think I was once quite rude to Graham the Gardener, but he was Cardiff). I was calling dumb those people who deny Covid exists or who claim it is harmless - that doesn't seem to include you.

In answer to your points.

You say:

"Now if I am right, getting jabbed is about lessening the symptoms".

No, the main point of getting jabbed is to reduce your chances of getting Covid. There remains a risk you will still get it, but less. Have not gone back to check but from memory the chief medical officer said typically if you are double jabbed you only have about a 10-15 per cent protection against this new variant. If you have the booster it goes up to about 75%. If you have had covid that also increases your protection because of the anti-bodies. So no one (as far as I'm aware) is claiming its complete protection, but it reduces your risk.

As for lessening the symptoms, that tends to be a secondary benefit, as GENERALLY SPEAKING the more you have been vaxed, the milder it seems you will get it. But again this is dealing with the balance of probabilities. There have been people who have had both injections and the booster and still died - tho not (as far as I am aware) very many.

I fully accept I could pass on Covid - never claimed anything different. But again, ON THE BALANCE OF PROBABILITIES, the more you have been vaccinated, the less likely you are to have it, so therefore the less likely you are to pass it on.

Re your question about flu: believe circa 20,000 a year die of flu (tho in v bad winters it can be higher). So far there have been 147,000 deaths due to covid in the UK alone.

To bring it back to football: if you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to get covid, so therefore you are more likely to be fit enough to do the job for which you are very well paid. That was my point, and I think Mark Warburton's too.

No hard feelings I hope.

From all my time listening to COVID news never have I heard that getting jabbed stops you from getting COVID. The jab is to reduce the severity of the symptoms that will reduce you needing an NHS bed that isnt there, which in part is due to chronic underfunding in the face of a growing population. Getting jabbed wont even stop you from passing it on. It's only to help you survive or reduce symptoms so you stay at home.

[KevC59]

Nice one, you two, very eloquent views from both of you, handled in a mature way, glad we all seem to agree that enough is enough on this now, and can get back to the really serious stuff in life, which is how do we get our beloved team back to the top table, where we belong, youRRR'sss

[stainrodisalegend]

Thank you Kev, appreciated.

Final point from me on Covid then I'll try never to return to the subject here (my daughter's just come down with it so its all I'm hearing about from my wife!) but I can't let the comments stand that getting vaccinated doesn't reduce the risk of you getting covid, because that view costs lives. Reducing your risk of catching covid is literally the main point of getting vaccinated. First thing mentioned on this US govt link that was the first one I clicked on:

COVID-19 vaccines are effective

• COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can reduce the risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.

That is why any player (and anyone else) is irresponsible not to get vaccinated (unless they have specific medical reasons, in which case totally fair enough). And that is why you do get some people responding to anti-vaxxers in the slightly hysterical way complained of above. Posters said they didn't know why. Hopefully this explains it. So if a lot of QPR players have not been vaccinated this is probably a very good reason why 10 of them have apparently tested positive and two of our matches have been postponed.

But back to the football: much as I hate to say this, as long as none of our players are seriously ill, the postponements could work to our advantage:

Players will recover from injuries (we had more injuries than most)

AFCON could be cancelled (they are still denying that but it must be looking v iffy - clubs like Liverpool will be lobbying massively about Salah, for eg)

And to avoid a fixture pile up - as loads of games are going to be cancelled now, and for a while - I could see the season being extended which could help clubs with smaller squads like us if we are still in the promotion hunt against some recent Prem clubs with big, bloated squads who can better cope with injuries.

Anyway, stay safe everyone on here.

[Fraggy]

Hi Fraggy: first off I am not calling you dumb, I don't think I have ever personally insulted a fellow R on this site (think I was once quite rude to Graham the Gardener, but he was Cardiff). I was calling dumb those people who deny Covid exists or who claim it is harmless - that doesn't seem to include you.

In answer to your points.

You say:

"Now if I am right, getting jabbed is about lessening the symptoms".

No, the main point of getting jabbed is to reduce your chances of getting Covid. There remains a risk you will still get it, but less. Have not gone back to check but from memory the chief medical officer said typically if you are double jabbed you only have about a 10-15 per cent protection against this new variant. If you have the booster it goes up to about 75%. If you have had covid that also increases your protection because of the anti-bodies. So no one (as far as I'm aware) is claiming its complete protection, but it reduces your risk.

As for lessening the symptoms, that tends to be a secondary benefit, as GENERALLY SPEAKING the more you have been vaxed, the milder it seems you will get it. But again this is dealing with the balance of probabilities. There have been people who have had both injections and the booster and still died - tho not (as far as I am aware) very many.

I fully accept I could pass on Covid - never claimed anything different. But again, ON THE BALANCE OF PROBABILITIES, the more you have been vaccinated, the less likely you are to have it, so therefore the less likely you are to pass it on.

Re your question about flu: believe circa 20,000 a year die of flu (tho in v bad winters it can be higher). So far there have been 147,000 deaths due to covid in the UK alone.

To bring it back to football: if you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to get covid, so therefore you are more likely to be fit enough to do the job for which you are very well paid. That was my point, and I think Mark Warburton's too.

No hard feelings I hope.

Apologies for delay in replying, got stuck working late.

No hard feelings here. I actually appreciate someone presenting their side of this debate without turning into a Karen.

Back to the football.
Was really looking forward to a Saturday game after so many week day games and that early Sunday KO.

But if being honest, as some have said, this delay will help us get some of our players off the treatment table.