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  • LoftusRoadLad
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    Harry's Speed.....

    The consensus within the game is that Maguire ‘lacks pace’. I remember when Pep was after him and spoke of him last summer, he mentioned his speed as one of his best attributes. I’ve heard Ole do the same. I’ve been paying close attention to it myself this season, and my opinion is similar. He...

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  • Stainrod
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    Originally posted by Abseits View Post
    Loads of centre backs are slow it doesn't actually matter, they're not meant to be wingers afterall. It's a hallmark of a duff team if CBs are made to look slow - it means the shape/set-up is all wrong. I'm sure the legendary speed merchants John "JT" Terry and Wes Morgan are more than happy to show you their Champions medals if you ask them.
    Anyway, Hammers already have that Dawson bloke doing a grand job without him having any pace. Moyes clearly backs himself to be able to work with defenders who cant run the 100m in 10 seconds.
    Good point Alan McDonald or Steve Bruce wouldn’t win many races but top defenders all the same .

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  • Abseits
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    Loads of centre backs are slow it doesn't actually matter, they're not meant to be wingers afterall. It's a hallmark of a duff team if CBs are made to look slow - it means the shape/set-up is all wrong. I'm sure the legendary speed merchants John "JT" Terry and Wes Morgan are more than happy to show you their Champions medals if you ask them.
    Anyway, Hammers already have that Dawson bloke doing a grand job without him having any pace. Moyes clearly backs himself to be able to work with defenders who cant run the 100m in 10 seconds.

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  • BusRider
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    Originally posted by stainrodisalegend View Post
    Judging by an interview with Ruben this week, the board are aware that Jan is a month when you can sometimes get crazy money for players - he was clear that if we can get crazy money, we will sell, if we can't, we won't. Which is sensible. The recruitment team will have a list of possible replacements they will have scouted by now. Think we just have to trust the Brentford model (now our model): we look to sell a player for £20m, then try to buy the next Rob Dickie for £3m and perhaps a left back for £2m and the rest goes towards the £1.3m a month losses the board are having to cover. Not every new signing is a success but if you buy according to stats (as Brentford do) and not Harry style ("'triffic lad, top, top player" - which translated meant "his agent's just paid for a new extension on my house in Sandbanks) you are going to get a lot more right than wrong.
    This is very much the right approach. If we can get 20mil for any of our players we should take it. Using a Brentford style "moneyball" approach that money can be reinvested with a better probability of success.

    I do hope we can get a good wingback or 2 in January regardless.

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  • stainrodisalegend
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    Judging by an interview with Ruben this week, the board are aware that Jan is a month when you can sometimes get crazy money for players - he was clear that if we can get crazy money, we will sell, if we can't, we won't. Which is sensible. The recruitment team will have a list of possible replacements they will have scouted by now. Think we just have to trust the Brentford model (now our model): we look to sell a player for £20m, then try to buy the next Rob Dickie for £3m and perhaps a left back for £2m and the rest goes towards the £1.3m a month losses the board are having to cover. Not every new signing is a success but if you buy according to stats (as Brentford do) and not Harry style ("'triffic lad, top, top player" - which translated meant "his agent's just paid for a new extension on my house in Sandbanks) you are going to get a lot more right than wrong.

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  • davieqpr
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    Originally posted by Stainrod View Post

    I don’t think anyone has ever said he is a top 6 prem player .
    Some are saying West Ham want him and West Ham are top 6 at the moment. They are not going to spend big money on a reserve.

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  • Shania
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    Originally posted by Stainrod View Post


    It’s sarcasm, we are good at running down our own players on this site sadly , but if you mention Todd Kane , he was the best thing since sliced bread.
    Who said that??

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  • Stainrod
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    Originally posted by davieqpr View Post
    Nothing to do with running down our own players if some of us don't think he is a Prem top 6 player yet.
    I don’t think anyone has ever said he is a top 6 prem player .

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  • longtime_ranger
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    Originally posted by davieqpr View Post
    Nothing to do with running down our own players if some of us don't think he is a Prem top 6 player yet.
    Err he isn't !!!

    His lack of pace is something that would be picked apart by the big six attackers and if you think otherwise then that is entirely your choice but sadly he not going to be that type of defender.

    Perhaps in time , he could do well at a mid table prem team or even one fighting relegation but IMO he is not at that level as yet.

    At the start of the season it was as much his attacking threat as opposed to his defending that got us wondering but he got a long way to go to be a regular big six prem defender.

    Thats not to say he is not worth around £20 million, think he could be but a top prem defender, sorry but he will need to do some training with our new fitness coach Usain to get his figures up on that.

    Not running him down at all - its the reality as it is !!!!

    He still very decent for us as we are today though.

    Wasnt it said he was going to Leeds last year - think this West Ham thing is agent spiel - can't see this happening at all.

    Sorry !!!!

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  • LoftusRoadLad
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    Originally posted by davieqpr View Post
    Nothing to do with running down our own players if some of us don't think he is a Prem top 6 player yet.
    Well we need to tell Wet Spam that !!

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  • davieqpr
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    Nothing to do with running down our own players if some of us don't think he is a Prem top 6 player yet.

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  • Stainrod
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    Originally posted by Kingaustin View Post

    I will have a pint of that
    It’s sarcasm, we are good at running down our own players on this site sadly , but if you mention Todd Kane , he was the best thing since sliced bread.

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  • Kingaustin
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    Originally posted by Abseits View Post

    Isn't Ogbnonha out injured for months? Dickie is probably the hottest property in world football right now so we should expect a frenzy of interest in him over the January window.
    I will have a pint of that

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  • Stainrod
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    Originally posted by dave58 View Post

    Couldn’t agree more he’s struggling in the championship at the moment severe lack of pace, he’s form gone downhill recently , mind you so as all the teams,
    We’ve conceded 1 goal in open play in last 3 games and that was an unlucky deflection v forest , defence can’t be doing to bad .

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  • dave58
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    Originally posted by Shania View Post
    No way is he good enough for the premiership.
    Couldn’t agree more he’s struggling in the championship at the moment severe lack of pace, he’s form gone downhill recently , mind you so as all the teams,

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