just a thought...

[ConorQPR2000]

I personally think if we cannot stay in W12 then we should be looking at going to Action or Ealing.

One idea I have is we partner up with Ealing Trailfinders and build a 30k seater stadium on their existing site which I have taken a screenshot of here, whilst construction work is ongoing, they move in with us at Loftus Road.

In terms of connectivity, it is reasonably good, there is a station pretty much next door called Castle Bar Park which has two trains an hour running on Monday to Saturday between Paddington and Greenford, you also have the central line at Greenford as well as the exit off the A40 and also you have South Greenford as well which is just up the line which could be used to possibly segregate away fans for certain games.

for me I think the club should be considering this site as a backup if LC doesnt go ahead and its only 4 miles away from LR, so it wouldnt be too much of an issue imo.

I actually think I prefer this option than the LC site because.

1. You dont need to build an athletics track, so you can use as much of the space as possible.
2. You already have a fairly good transport connection within the area.
3. It mutually benefits both clubs.

Thoughts?

[Bloodnut]

Park Royal Industrial estate,
QPR have played there before,
Plenty of parking,
Brownfield site,
Non residential so the land should be cheaper and less archaic noise restrictions.
No neighbours,
HS2 are using the bit of land between Chase Road, School Road and Victoria Road right next to North Acton Station (Central Line), The West London Line (New Station possible), and within walking distance of the new Old Oak station on HS2/Great Western Railway.
And we would be buying from one owner (the government) as opposed to a series of individual companies.
Now all we have to do is wait for HS2 to be finished.

[Abseits]

If you don't progress, you will go backwards as all around you progress.
If we don't improve the matchday experience and revenue stream at LR, then we will have to do it somewhere elase. If we don't, then we will end up as a yoyo club between the lower leagues, selling our best players every year just to make ends meet.
I know there are some on here who would be quite happy sitting in a cramped seat watching us get trounced by Forest green Rovers, as long as they can sit with their like minded mates, but I suspect the majority of fans want something better for their club.

If we tumble down the leagues, then the youngsters growing up in the Bush will end up supporting one of the other local teams with a bit more vision.

I cant comment cos I moved away from W12 yonks ago. But..... my feeling is that there isn't actually a rabid latent supply of young fans in W12. I'm thinking the local demographic isn't hugely predisposed to visiting even a moderately successful club if they can follow likes of PSG, Barca, City/Utd etc on their Iphones instead.

My impression is that the Rs diaspora is cast far and wide, miles from W12. This must impinge on their offspring becoming committed long-term match-going Rs fans irrespective of how many hooped shirts you buy them as kids.

I agree we have to get a better stadium but I'm not sure it has to be in/around the Bush or what long-term advantage is of staying in W12. Fair do's if we can find a site in W12 for a comfy modern stadium with excellent links and access but frankly that doesn't seem viable or possible. If bulk of our fans are travelling in to watch matches they'll soon get used to getting off at a different station or turning off the A40 somewhere else.

[Darkranger]

What would the the land that our current ground sits on be worth? Quite a bit of money I'm guessing, even more if it had residential planning permission as well. Obviously nowhere near enough to cover the cost of a new stadium build though.

[SheepRanger]

What would the the land that our current ground sits on be worth? Quite a bit of money I'm guessing, even more if it had residential planning permission as well. Obviously nowhere near enough to cover the cost of a new stadium build though.

It's worth naff all because there's a covenant on it that it has to be used for community use. The club, through internal and external legal means, have tried to get hat removed without success. I think it was Nic DeMarco whi is a QPR fan who took up the last attempt. The most you'll see there is a council run sports centre.

[LoftusRoadLad]

Back in the late 70's I remember there was a map and they pinned where all the season holders lived.
Most were in the Greenford to Hayes area. There wasn't that many in the Bush.
As you travel west more n more till you reach Hayes/ Northholt is where they all were.

[Havelock66]

A stadium with a capacity of 20-25k is not enough imho.
We need a stadium of between 30-40,000. Remember, this will be a multi-purpose built stadium. Not just for football. Corporate events, sports events, concerts etc.

We will fill this stadium when we return to the Premiership. Remember, we took almost 50k to the playoff final in 2014. We need to raise our standards and be more ambitious.

I would also build a roof to cover the stadium.
This stadium needs to be state of an art stadium.

Then we will never see a new stadfia in our lifetimes if u want a 40,000+ Stadia. I'm trying to be realistic not hopelessly optimistic

[ConorQPR2000]

It's worth naff all because there's a covenant on it that it has to be used for community use. The club, through internal and external legal means, have tried to get hat removed without success. I think it was Nic DeMarco whi is a QPR fan who took up the last attempt. The most you'll see there is a council run sports centre.

so if there is a covenant for LR and we have tried changing it and failed, then we could in theory offer a land swap to the council, so they construct a new sports centre on the existing LR site with the athletics track and the relevant stands etc for Thames Valley Harriers to use, with the club funding the costs, in return the club owns the freehold on the LC site and we build the new stadium on the site itself as proposed.


I think if we do that then we may well find it easier to deal with the council on this issue.

[ConorQPR2000]

Then we will never see a new stadfia in our lifetimes if u want a 40,000+ Stadia. I'm trying to be realistic not hopelessly optimistic

40k is way too much, personally a size of around 20k-30k is probably enough for us.

[Pal]

40k is way too much, personally a size of around 20k-30k is probably enough for us.

Why would we go to all the expense of a new stadium for an extra 2000 fans?

We might only need 20k initially for the football on a saturday, but a 35k+ stadium would be about right for a concert venue, where you would lose one end for the stage etc. For comparison the Select car leasing stadium has a capacity of just over 24k

Once we have a more sustainable model with extra revenue streams then we can keep our best players instead of flogging them off each year, and the football will improve and we will need the extra capacity.

[SheepRanger]

so if there is a covenant for LR and we have tried changing it and failed, then we could in theory offer a land swap to the council, so they construct a new sports centre on the existing LR site with the athletics track and the relevant stands etc for Thames Valley Harriers to use, with the club funding the costs, in return the club owns the freehold on the LC site and we build the new stadium on the site itself as proposed.

I think if we do that then we may well find it easier to deal with the council on this issue.

I guess it's possible...

All I've ever seen are plans for a new stadium on different sites. I'm not aware of anything that's been issued that includes what would happen to LR after. Unless others have read something?

[SheepRanger]

so if there is a covenant for LR and we have tried changing it and failed, then we could in theory offer a land swap to the council, so they construct a new sports centre on the existing LR site with the athletics track and the relevant stands etc for Thames Valley Harriers to use, with the club funding the costs, in return the club owns the freehold on the LC site and we build the new stadium on the site itself as proposed.


I think if we do that then we may well find it easier to deal with the council on this issue.

I found this which includes redevelopment of LR into housing. I have no idea how current that is, or whether its feasible? Perhaps we're hoping the council will overlook LR restrictions and allow planning as long as we develop community projects on the other site?

https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!p...12:info:qpr027

[LoftusRoadLad]

Link dont work

[SheepRanger]

Link dont work

https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!pages/shepherdsbushw12:info:qpr027

[Darkranger]

I found this which includes redevelopment of LR into housing. I have no idea how current that is, or whether its feasible? Perhaps we're hoping the council will overlook LR restrictions and allow planning as long as we develop community projects on the other site?

https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!p...12:info:qpr027

Certainly an interesting scenario. I always assumed that LR would be a prime residential site if we were ever to move out, seems that this may not be the case.