On way home

[SheepRanger]

I don't think we look tight at the back.

And until we do, we will struggle. Simple, really.

I'm not confident re SMac's defensive coaching abilities, sometimes we're way too deep, sometimes we're higher, sometimes we press and it just seems random.

I just don't like the look of the back end one little bit. Needs sorting.

Do you prefer Ollie's approach more?

[WeAreQPR12]

Do you prefer Ollie's approach more?

Haha you know full well he hates Ollie lol

[Shania]

Haha you know full well he hates Ollie lol

Oh, come on - Let`s move on.......it the present situation at the club which counts.. we are still not the finished article,

[SheepRanger]

Haha you know full well he hates Ollie lol

Some people are never happy, want instant fixes even though the loan market has another four days to run.

[stanistheman]

I don't think we look tight at the back.

And until we do, we will struggle. Simple, really.

I'm not confident re SMac's defensive coaching abilities, sometimes we're way too deep, sometimes we're higher, sometimes we press and it just seems random.

I just don't like the look of the back end one little bit. Needs sorting.

Can't disagree with that.

Does SMC have a defensive coach to assist him? If not, he needs one. QPR have a very slow back 4 and if no speed is added, then they neeed to be more disciplined and fully focused on the game.

I think they need to bring in 2 new defenders because I doubt that Hall will be fully fit any time soon.

[1973 ranger]

The back is iffy and need protecting but the midfield seem not to be bothered by that. Our full backs get exposed game after game as our wide players do not track back. Pawel should be RW to help out Rangel who will do ok and get someone on the left to help Bidwell out who gets done 2 on 1 every game as well.

[West Acton]

Midfield bigger concern for me then defence. We got hall and Furlong to Return defence where as the three in middle are what most would say are the best players. Huge concern

[hal9thou]

Midfield bigger concern for me then defence. We got hall and Furlong to Return defence where as the three in middle are what most would say are the best players. Huge concern

Hear you, but it doesn't look like the back line is properly drilled and no one is calling. Has to be priority no 1.

Some people are never happy, want instant fixes even though the loan market has another four days to run.

You kind of need to get real. I'm not even talking about new players. I'm talking about the fvckin drills, or lack of them.

This doesn't mean I want Ollie back. If you actually bothered to look at what people have said before jumping in eyes wide shut, you'll know that the one worry for me re Smac was defensive frailty and that I actually pointed this out BEFORE the deal was confirmed, so I'm not having any of this four days nonsense. The whole world knows that he isn't a defence coach, teaching them to play the ball out is not defensive coaching however welcome. We need someone to get them back to basics, doing the routines and the calls day in day out until they can cover in their fvckin sleep. Thats how you do it.

And in any case, a quality defensive coach has nothing whatsoever to do with windows.

[SheepRanger]

You kind of need to get real. I'm not even talking about new players. I'm talking about the fvckin drills, or lack of them.

This doesn't mean I want Ollie back. If you actually bothered to look at what people have said before jumping in eyes wide shut, you'll know that the one worry for me re Smac was defensive frailty and that I actually pointed this out BEFORE the deal was confirmed, so I'm not having any of this four days nonsense. The whole world knows that he isn't a defence coach, teaching them to play the ball out is not defensive coaching however welcome. We need someone to get them back to basics, doing the routines and the calls day in day out until they can cover in their fvckin sleep. Thats how you do it.

And in any case, a quality defensive coach has nothing whatsoever to do with windows.

So you're happy with Lynch and Leistner as our CB pairing and they just need to be coached on defensive duties better?

And we don't need new CB in the remaining days of the loan window then?

[Shepherds Mush]

Midfield bigger concern for me then defence. We got hall and Furlong to Return defence where as the three in middle are what most would say are the best players. Huge concern

Agree on this. Not enough ball-winning centre mids who can pick a pass to the more creative players IMO.

[hal9thou]

So you're happy with Lynch and Leistner as our CB pairing and they just need to be coached on defensive duties better?

And we don't need new CB in the remaining days of the loan window then?

<sighs> All back lines need to be properly set up and properly drilled, doesn't matter how much individual ability is involved.

Thats why teams with great defenders can still look chaotic at the back, you only have to look at the EPL for evidence. Contrast that with say Arsenal of the invincibles era, or AC Milan in their pomp, or Scum under Jose when he first sorted them. Difference isn't ability, the difference is in the know how.

Talent helps, but organisation is paramount. I'd like to see a fit Grant Hall back soon, but our defensive coaching remains suspect. The last great defensive performance we put in was at Wembley. That's a long time ago.

[SheepRanger]

<sighs> All back lines need to be properly set up and properly drilled, doesn't matter how much individual ability is involved.

Thats why teams with great defenders can still look chaotic at the back, you only have to look at the EPL for evidence. Contrast that with say Arsenal of the invincibles era, or AC Milan in their pomp, or Scum under Jose when he first sorted them. Difference isn't ability, the difference is in the know how.

Talent helps, but organisation is paramount. I'd like to see a fit Grant Hall back soon, but our defensive coaching remains suspect. The last great defensive performance we put in was at Wembley. That's a long time ago.

Thanks. But in relation to my questions I think youre saying we dont need addition signings, with Hall back and proper coaching we're fine. I didn't get a direct answer to my questions but that seems to be your stance.....?

My view is that our back line is good enough, with proper coaching, to stay up. But if we want to get to around 10th and have an outside chance of the play offs we need an additional experienced championship CB and another LB to compete with Bidwell. The current crop don't seem to be able to organise themselves during the game, very poor communication

[stanistheman]

<sighs> All back lines need to be properly set up and properly drilled, doesn't matter how much individual ability is involved.

Thats why teams with great defenders can still look chaotic at the back, you only have to look at the EPL for evidence. Contrast that with say Arsenal of the invincibles era, or AC Milan in their pomp, or Scum under Jose when he first sorted them. Difference isn't ability, the difference is in the know how.

Talent helps, but organisation is paramount. I'd like to see a fit Grant Hall back soon, but our defensive coaching remains suspect. The last great defensive performance we put in was at Wembley. That's a long time ago.

I agree with you. A coach who knows what h eis doing will get better results from his defence.

Does anyone recall how shambolic QPR's defence was under Ramsay and everyone blamed the defenders? Yet when Warnock took temporary charge, those same defenders kept 3 clean sheets in 4 games.

Also, coaches like Allardyce and Pulis take charge of teams and also get clean sheets from defences that leaked goals.

I know McLaren is not a defensive coach which is why I asked if he has one to assist him. If he doesn't then he needs to get one in asap.

[hal9thou]

with Hall back and proper coaching we're fine.

Pretty much, although we don't have much cover on the bench if injuries kick in.

The fact remains though that we have been without a credible defence coach for ages. There's a case for saying that loan funds for a CB would be as well or better spent on on a defence coach.

I think Clint has the makings for that role, he's always had tactical nous and he'd get them working. I certainly can't see him being any worse than some of our recent staff additions......

[stanistheman]

Pretty much, although we don't have much cover on the bench if injuries kick in.

The fact remains though that we have been without a credible defence coach for ages. There's a case for saying that loan funds for a CB would be as well or better spent on on a defence coach.

I think Clint has the makings for that role, he's always had tactical nous and he'd get them working. I certainly can't see him being any worse than some of our recent staff additions......

Possibly a good shout on Hill although I don't know about his coaching credentials, but will he come back south?