Okay..If Flavio Goes

[Goddard]

The bloke seems to rule by fear.
Too much fear surrounding what might or might not happen if he ******ed off.
"Be careful what you wish for".

Personally, I have more fears about QPR while he carries on running the club the way he has, than I would if we were in admin, and taking a 10 point hit.

FB is not QPR.




Just an opinion, and one that I don't expect many to share.

[Jimmy]

What would we get back,

THE CLUBS SOUL........

[Frode]

Flavio is a businessman, so he's not gonna sell if he isn't gonna make a profit. He's got nothing to gain if we go into admin. So I think we're better off whoever he sells us to

[Bernie's Barnet]

Why on earth not? Were we not sustainable under Jim Gregory and Richard Thompson? I have no problem with dropping a division to rebuild properly. Currently our gearing is D- in the football world - proving our current set up is a castle built on sand. We're giving silly contracts to substandard players, paying for the many mistakes of the Sporting Director and managerial merry go round, living beyond on means on the blind faith that FB keeps plugging his money in.

Also, I'll give you Dave Whelan, Mohammed Al-Fayed, Steve Gibson, John Madjeski, Jack Walker, Adam Pearson, Ron Noades, Paul Duffen plus the Burnley and Preston chairman who have built, developed and sustained successful football clubs without anywhere near the financial back up, corporate funding, sponsorship or even core crowds that we have now.

Of course someone will want to take us over. Everything would depend on price. This may mean admin to achieve this. So be it.

Hold on

Dave Whelan - fair enough, from non league to Prem, but still minimal fanbase and arguably able to build and maintain a new stadium off the back of the far betted supported RL team.

Adam Pearson - Derby still struggling under a ton of debt after relegation

Ron Noades - from a different era moneywise

Mohammed Fayed - I'd be very surprised to hear that he put less into Fulham than Flav & Co have into us

Steve Gibson - now presiding over a CCC club and sacked Southgate in a panic over falling attendances. If they don't get back up, every chance you're looking at a Charlton/Norwich/Southampton

Madejski - pretty much the same and looking to exit

Walker - lifted Blackburn to the Prem with his money alone, at a time when a local businessman could still reasonably afford to do so. Plenty of money problems now his family have turned off the tap

Paul Duffen - again, plenty of sweat over Hull's finances

Burnley - great job done. Up to the point Coyle left and they made the mistake of appointing Brian Laws. Heading one way, this season or next.

Preston - Alan Irvine sacked in a fit of petulance that would have done Flav credit.

Point is, all have had high points, but are they sustainable for more than the short term? Unlikely.

Keep saying. Anyone wanting to take over Rangers needs to have £100m they don't need back any time soon, otherwise they haven't got enough to do the job right.

- Buy out existing owners
- Pay off outstanding loans and debts
- Upgrade the playing staff to promotion standard
- Build a 30000 stadium fit for the 21st Century
- Purchase land for training and academy facilities
- Buiild training and academy facilities
- Build up a proper scouting network and system

With the exception of Noades from your list, if the rest haven't put at least £100m into their respective clubs to date, I'll be surprised.

[Nodge70]

There is no way that Pearson, Duffen, Burnley or Preston have put in anywhere near that. Not even Madjeski. Preston have had 10 years at the top 8 of the CCC. I'd take that like a shot. Derby aren't struggling - buy out buy new US owners - Pearson only Chief Exec now but saved them before he bought Hull, who he also saved and progressed before Duffen took them further.

Gibson - gave them 15 solid years in the Premier League. Not bad. Got Boro promoted to the Prem in the first 2 seasons of his tenure. Walker likewise.

Fayed is the closest thing to Briatore (both in character and financial/admin input) yet he's done the majority of his work correctly. Managers allowed to manager, back office team allowed to progress the club. Probably to our detriment.

Noades achievements shouldn't be derided due to his character and time of service. He was controversial in his property/stadium dealings (nothing that FB hasn't already done) but still ran 3 different FL clubs successfully and profitably.

New stadium is a red herring. Completely unnecessary in our current situation. Portsmouth fail not solely due to capacity but lack of corporate facilities, something we have in abundance.

Any way you look at it - FB has been one almighty failure in football.

[Bernie's Barnet]

There is no way that Pearson, Duffen, Burnley or Preston have put in anywhere near that. Not even Madjeski. Preston have had 10 years at the top 8 of the CCC. I'd take that like a shot. Derby aren't struggling - buy out buy new US owners - Pearson only Chief Exec now but saved them before he bought Hull, who he also saved and progressed before Duffen took them further.

Gibson - gave them 15 solid years in the Premier League. Not bad. Got Boro promoted to the Prem in the first 2 seasons of his tenure. Walker likewise.

Fayed is the closest thing to Briatore (both in character and financial/admin input) yet he's done the majority of his work correctly. Managers allowed to manager, back office team allowed to progress the club. Probably to our detriment.

Noades achievements shouldn't be derided due to his character and time of service. He was controversial in his property/stadium dealings (nothing that FB hasn't already done) but still ran 3 different FL clubs successfully and profitably.

New stadium is a red herring. Completely unnecessary in our current situation. Portsmouth fail not solely due to capacity but lack of corporate facilities, something we have in abundance.

Any way you look at it - FB has been one almighty failure in football.

A lot of the guys you are talking about got into football and invested at an affordable time. These are very different days.

A new stadium is most certainly not a red herring, have you ever tried to wedge yourself into a seat in SAR without rupturing a kneecap? It's old and it's too small for any club with ambitions of the Prem. Think not so long ago there was a ruling from the Prem that would have precluded LR from being fit to host Prem games.

[Kit]

Times have changed in Football and players wages are now astronomical that is the big difference between now and 1996 when we last were in the Prem, we could not sustain a position in the Premiership on 15,000 crowds without someone pumping money in !Southampton are the wrong example to follow they would average 26,000 plus nearly double our crowd average !
Plain and simple this club would not survive in the Championship, let alone the Prem WITHOUT big sponsorship and a money man.
Flav has made a lot of mistakes but stop fooling yourselves we will be alright without him, we won't unless someone equally as silly as him, came in and that will not happen.

[Jamie]

in answer to the original question, Flav cannot just walk away scot free......either he has to find a buyer (no hope), or put the club into administration, essentially writing off the many millions of pounds he and his business partners has invested in the company.....

lets be honest we all know that this is a trademark bit of QBP spinning trying to convince the world that FB & GP are vital assets doing a wonderful job

[rangersroar]

Someone might come who actually gives a rats ar..se

[Nodge70]

Times have changed in Football and players wages are now astronomical that is the big difference between now and 1996 when we last were in the Prem, we could not sustain a position in the Premiership on 15,000 crowds without someone pumping money in !Southampton are the wrong example to follow they would average 26,000 plus nearly double our crowd average !
Plain and simple this club would not survive in the Championship, let alone the Prem WITHOUT big sponsorship and a money man.
Flav has made a lot of mistakes but stop fooling yourselves we will be alright without him, we won't unless someone equally as silly as him, came in and that will not happen.

Sorry, that's rubbish. Sure we would not exist if we continued along the current profligate doomed path our DoF seems intent on leading us down, but we don't have to be run in that manner.

Loftus Road is an entirely suitable venue for Championship and Premier League football, if not ideal. There are no directives to say you cannot sell restricted view tickets in the stadium. Fulham chose not to, though they are happy to sell thousands of similarly restricted view tickets at Craven Cottage. The only problem is that the stadium is not hard wired for TV but that is easily resolvable. Restricted view seats are also on sale at White Hart Lane, Anfield, Goodison Park, Old Trafford, Wembley, Fratton Park, Stamford Bridge and Upton Park to name but a few. Goodison, Anfield and Fratton Park sell tickets marked "very restricted view" which are even worse than the restricted views we have at LR. No directive on leg room either. Sit in the Upper East Stand at White Hart Lane. Unchanged (aside from changing the seats from wood to plastic) since 1938. SAR is luxuriant by comparison.

Academies are an unnecessary drain on clubs of our size and we work perfectly well on a centre of excellence. Well, we would if there was any resource being diverted to it!

Clubs like Doncaster, S****horpe, Hull, Burnley, Preston, Cardiff, Palace, Swansea, Bristol City etc have all prospered in the upper echelons of the Championship in recent seasons without massive attendances, investment, sponsorship or funding. Palace now failing due to one guys intransigence but the others have performed to a level we should easily exceeding right now given our funding.

Don't believe the hype.

[qblockpete]

Nodge

Palace are struggling big time finanically and the other clubs you mention apart from S****horpe United ( who generally struggle) have bigger fan bases than we do.

We are probably a top Division 1 side at best in ratio with our support

[Nodge70]

Nodge

Palace are struggling big time finanically and the other clubs you mention apart from S****horpe United ( who generally struggle) have bigger fan bases than we do.
We are probably a top Division 1 side at best in ratio with our support

Absolute nonsense.

Sorry Pete, you don't know your history.

Keep up. We've only spent 3 seasons out of the top two division in half the time of our FL existence. Compare and contrast with those I've mentioned.

Doncaster, Swansea, Preston, Brizzle, Reading PALACE FFS! Cardiff have the potential but not the history. Preston and Burnley were big when Victoria was on the throne and cross bars were tape.

As I mentioned, Palace are being unscrabbled purely to the intransigence of one guy and one monumental freehold **** up.


Burnley, for a Championship play off Final, didn't take as many to Wembley as we did to Cardiff - neither did Preston in their game with West Ham.

We have a massive support base - just need appropriate marketing strategies to tap in to it correctly. Our location, commercial potential, fanbase, stadium and history still makes us "interesting" for potential investors. The media still have us as high profile (relatively) and there is a groundswell in medialand for us to do well. We've got the commercial side of the club hugely wrong and continue to underestimate and underrepresent what we are without even talking to the supporters.

[old school qpr]

What Happens???

dont want flavio to go , just want your puppet master to do one

[Youvebeenrangered]

I agree with nodge! but am too tired to write a complicated intelligent comment.

[conners]

Absolute nonsense.

Sorry Pete, you don't know your history.

Keep up. We've only spent 3 seasons out of the top two division in half the time of our FL existence. Compare and contrast with those I've mentioned.

Doncaster, Swansea, Preston, Brizzle, Reading PALACE FFS! Cardiff have the potential but not the history. Preston and Burnley were big when Victoria was on the throne and cross bars were tape.

As I mentioned, Palace are being unscrabbled purely to the intransigence of one guy and one monumental freehold **** up.


Burnley, for a Championship play off Final, didn't take as many to Wembley as we did to Cardiff - neither did Preston in their game with West Ham.

We have a massive support base - just need appropriate marketing strategies to tap in to it correctly. Our location, commercial potential, fanbase, stadium and history still makes us "interesting" for potential investors. The media still have us as high profile (relatively) and there is a groundswell in medialand for us to do well. We've got the commercial side of the club hugely wrong and continue to underestimate and underrepresent what we are without even talking to the supporters.

Didn't someone come on here the other day and say that points amassed over the past ten seasons would see us in 47th place. If correct, that would make Pete's assessment as a Division One club spot on.