Anybody living near the ground? Go & salt the pathways

[ScottJones]

Been that way today, the roads are fine but the pavements on all the approach backstreets are proper dodgy - ice everywhere. i can see this being 50/50 on health and safety

[themodfather]

well...if qpr got council to deliver grit and then ask for volunteers to spread it....

it's how much we want the game on....qpr need revenue from 2 games in a week and as few games /s port on in london, we could get neutrals turning up and INCREASE REVENUE.

[ScottJones]

well...if qpr got council to deliver grit and then ask for volunteers to spread it....

it's how much we want the game on....qpr need revenue from 2 games in a week and as few games /s port on in london, we could get neutrals turning up and INCREASE REVENUE.

They probably wouldnt let us volunteer to help based on....health and safety..in case one of us slipped over and sued them..you know how it works :devil:

[PLYMHOOP]

No problems really down here in Plymouth, so would all be down to conditions around the Stadium.. hope they decide soon as I am on the 05:40 sat morning!

[superhoop67]

All around ground and streets coverd in ice real dodgy at moment [3oc]

[80sCasual]

I think the main worry is what is it like in Plymouth. Will it be too dangerous for them to travel?

If the game is on and they don't turn up do we get the 3 points?
Maybe thats what we're hoping.

[scarface]

It just shows the way our country has gone in the 80's the winters were like this but the games always went ahead if the pitch was playable.

All this health and saftey is rubbish you can do anything anymore for the fear of getting sued.

[stanistheman]

not good then...council gritting pavement....???

DO CLUB WANT GAME ON?
call for volunteers for friday and clear or grit streets

Absolutely what the club should do. In the 80s they used fans to sweep the snow off the terraces and platic pitch in oder to get the games on.

Those streets near the ground near clearing and the best way to do it is to get volunteers armed with grit, salt, cat litter or whatever it taks to melt the snow and clear the slush so that 1000s of fans can get to and in and out of the ground safely.

Not many games will be played this week and if QPR can play and beat Plymouth, it will lift the team up the table and get some confidence back.

[PedalR]

No footy bet saturday then!

Does that Pools Panel thingy still sit? If yes, wonder if you can bet on their predicted outcomes?
Presume odds would be duff as that panel were very predictable/obvious.
I remember one year it popped into my head to match all the panel predictions against the actual results from re-arranged fixtures... but I never followed through. Bet the panel get less than 50% right if anybody was diligent enough to do the analysis.

[BUSHRANGER1982]

Streets in Shepherd's Bush are covered in ice, main thoroughfares like the Goldhawk Rd and Uxbridge Rd are largely ok, but backstreets are deadly to walk on.
If there's no more snow between now and Saturday afternoon, I expect that the ice will have all but gone by then, walked into nothingness by people making their way to work, shops, pubs, all apparently not worthy of the attention of this Nanny state we now live in.

[Neil]

No more snow till sunday around this area, a joke if match is called off tto be honest with you.

[Neil]

Anybody living near the ground? Go & salt the pathways

I want the game on sat.

[BUSHRANGER1982]

I agree, Neil.

[THE FLYING COW]

yeah

i have a strange feeling it could be postsponed

[Neil]

Is it your civic duty to clear snow?
By Denise Winterman
BBC News Magazine


Local authorities in the UK are responsible for gritting and salting public roads and pavements, but what about your own path and the pavement in front of your home? Is it your civic duty to keep them clear for others?



In the UK the picture is different from many places on the continent
In parts of the world the public is expected to help keep the streets clear of snow. In Minneapolis, in the US, it's your legal duty.

"Keeping our sidewalks free of ice and snow is the neighbourly thing to do, and it's the law... please do your part," says the local authority's website.

The rules are strict. Snow must be removed from pavements outside homes within 24 hours of snowfall ending. However, they are given free "sidewalk sand" to do the job.

If the public works department gets a complaint or discovers that a pavement is not properly cleared, it gives the property owner a chance to do it. If the pavement has still not been cleared upon re-inspection, city crews will do the job and the home owner will be sent the bill.

The US city of Boston is equally tough. The mayor's website states people have a personal responsibility to remove snow from "the full paved width of the sidewalk or a minimum of 42 inches wide". Fines can reach as much as $250 (£154) for each day the snow is left.

Legal risk

There are also strict regulations in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Most German towns have a "street cleaning statute". Snow-shovelling requirements are spelled out in detail, even down to the minimum width of the cleared area and the time during which you must keep the snow cleared.

It's not the case in the UK. In fact, you are taking a theoretical legal risk if you clear the pavement in front of your home.

It's the local authority's responsibility to clear snow and ice from the public highway. By sweeping snow from one part of the pavement to another, if done in a manner that caused injury to someone, there is a chance legal action could be taken against you under the part of the law known as "tort of nuisance".

But, Paul Kitson, a partner with leading personal injury solicitors Russell Jones & Walker, explains that a claimant would have to show you had acted either maliciously or carelessly, and that such a case would often be tricky in practice.

"It would be quite difficult to prove and quite difficult to proceed with a claim."



This man is bound by law to clear the snow away
On your own land, it is a different matter. You owe visitors a duty under the Occupiers Liability Act 1984 to take reasonable care to ensure that they are reasonably safe. So if you know someone is likely to walk up your garden path, like the milkman, and you know it's slippery, you must take reasonable steps to clear it and grit it if necessary.

But some people say it is your civic duty to help, even those high up. Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond, whose home is in Strichen, Aberdeenshire, has reportedly urged people to help neighbours.

"These are the worst weather conditions we've had for 30 years," he was quoted as saying in the Times.

"I would urge people to engage in self-help so that they have access to their driveways and pavements. They should do the same for their neighbours who might not be able to help themselves."

Of course there is shovel etiquette when it comes to clearing pavements and paths. Just shunting it in front of the neighbours' gate would probably be considered rude.

The gutter might seem a better bet. Or your own garden