Assessment on Paladini from Clive Whittingham /merged thread/

[qblockpete]

If you read, instead of just placing a post.

I already answered and said " a journalist told me", it seems I must have only one friend in this world.

[sirpiechucker]

Never met Paladini and have no issue with him personally. But I don't like the role of Sporting Director (Director of Football). I just don't think it works especially if you choose to employ experienced English managers. Spurs could have been relegated using one last season but as soon as they scrapped it and the manager made the decisions they improved. And Pompey are struggling with exactly the same thing.

No manager will guarantee results but at least if you give them the opportunity to succeed and they fail then they are fully responsible. Was Dowie, Sousa, Magilton or Hart responsible when the squad they managed weren't their players. Remember we still have players from the Holloway days. Managers need control and time. When they fail sack them. But when others around them fail to sign the right players how is it their fault?

Other than Kieran Lee we haven't signed as recognised right back since Timoska before him. Even Rehman wasn't a proper right back. Ramage certainly isn't and neither was Mancienne. Without the proper players playing in their proper positions all managers will fail. IMO the person in charge of selecting and signing players is responsible if the wrong players have been signed. Is anyone else to blame at Liverpool for Benitez decision to spend £18m on Johnson and £15m on Aqualini but not to have spent any money on another recognised striker to support or deputise Torres. No. Benitez is responsible and therefore at fault. Magilton can't be blamed for signings made prior to his appointment, neither can Dowie, Sousa or Hart.

[The Merry Ploughboy]

I would also like to state for the record that I have never met Mr Paladini, so he could be a smashing fella. What i disagree with is divulging sensitive club information to "fans" and "friends" and he role of DOF, which i believe he has performed poorly at. I also believe his role stifles this football club of where it could be, a well run, well liked stylish West London team playing good football in the Premiership

[stanistheman]

I agree with Sirpie, a Sporting or Football director does more harm than good.

There is nothing wrong with having someone to deal with contract negotitations fees, etc, but there is with appointing a manager and then having someoine else pick and choose the player who will be in the squad. How can a manager take full responsibility if things go wrong, when the players on the pitch are not really his choice?

GP has made far too many poor signings since being in charge. Players like Ukah, Tachkounte, Adam Miller, Nick Ward when QPR were almost skint were bad, but to sign players like Alberti, Agyemang & Pellicori on fairly lucarative 3 & 4 year deals is really pathetic. As the article says, for every decent signing, there are at least two terrible ones and perhaps another two that are less than average players. And of course it is the manager who gets sacked terminated dismissed etc when results aren't good.

[Goddard]

I would also like to state for the record that I have never met Mr Paladini, so he could be a smashing fella. What i disagree with is divulging sensitive club information to "fans" and "friends" and he role of DOF, which i believe he has performed poorly at. I also believe his role stifles this football club of where it could be, a well run, well liked stylish West London team playing good football in the Premiership

Not happy saying this... but like Fulham are now?

And we should be twice the club they are.

[themodfather]

manager signs players he wants

olly turned up with 5 or 6 new players he knew **** about

this director of football never works..wise at newky stands out.

[Goddard]

manager signs players he wants


this director of football never works..wise at newky stands out.

Denis Wise at Newcastle.
Damien Comolli at Spurs.
Terry Venables at Pompey.
Avram Grant at Chelsea... that led to Mourinho leaving.
Sir Clive Woodwood at Southampton.

Stunning success stories there.

The definition of a Director of Football??
"Director of Football" is a term describing a senior management figure at a football club, most commonly used in Europe. In the rugby codes, the term "Director of Rugby" is used instead. The exact nature of the role is often unclear and extremely variable and causes much debate in the sports media. The term is almost exclusively used in the UK, with 'Sporting Director' or 'General Manager' often used elsewhere.

The presence of a director of football acts as an intermediary between the manager and the board and may relieve pressure on a manager by handing aspects away from day-to-day coaching, allowing a manager to focus on on-pitch performance. The director may also help to stabilse the club - many examples exist of director stepping in as a caretaker manager on the depature of the manager. The director - often an experienced football figure - may also positively advise a less experienced manager or the board of a less well developed club.

In contrast, there are many examples of tensions arising between director and manager, often due to questions over the remit and powers of the two positions; particularly with regard to control over transfer policy. This had led to many well publicised and often, highly damaging disputes within clubs."

(Wikipedia).



Before that is taken as "another dig" at Gianni Paladini, I would not want anyone to perform that role at QPR.
It's a pointless job, and is simply not needed, if the manager knows his stuff.


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[Receed R]

Denis Wise at Newcastle.
Damien Comolli at Spurs.
Terry Venables at Pompey.
Avram Grant at Chelsea... that led to Mourinho leaving.
Sir Clive Woodwood at Southampton.

Stunning success stories there.

The definition of a Director of Football??
"Director of Football" is a term describing a senior management figure at a football club, most commonly used in Europe. In the rugby codes, the term "Director of Rugby" is used instead. The exact nature of the role is often unclear and extremely variable and causes much debate in the sports media. The term is almost exclusively used in the UK, with 'Sporting Director' or 'General Manager' often used elsewhere.

The presence of a director of football acts as an intermediary between the manager and the board and may relieve pressure on a manager by handing aspects away from day-to-day coaching, allowing a manager to focus on on-pitch performance. The director may also help to stabilse the club - many examples exist of director stepping in as a caretaker manager on the depature of the manager. The director - often an experienced football figure - may also positively advise a less experienced manager or the board of a less well developed club.

In contrast, there are many examples of tensions arising between director and manager, often due to questions over the remit and powers of the two positions; particularly with regard to control over transfer policy. This had led to many well publicised and often, highly damaging disputes within clubs."

(Wikipedia).



Before that is taken as "another dig" at Gianni Paladini, I would not want anyone to perform that role at QPR.
It's a pointless job, and is simply not needed, if the manager knows his stuff.


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So are you saying the manager should spend the majority of his time scouting players, negotiating the contracts etc as opposed to working with the players on the training ground?

[qprsouth]

thats what fergie does and wenger when it comes to player dealings or are they wrong aswell

[Goddard]

So are you saying the manager should spend the majority of his time scouting players, negotiating the contracts etc as opposed to working with the players on the training ground?

He should have the final say on who signs for the club, who the scouts are, and almost everything to do with the football side of things.
He should be the head of a team that deal with everything football related.


Example: Harry Redknapp wouldn't have touched Spurs with a barge-pole if Comolli had remained in place as DoF.

All this of course.... within a SET BUDGET, clearly laid out by the owner/chairman of that club.
And if he fails to reach the targets expected over a timescale agreed.... toodle-pip.


That's the way it's done by most clubs in England, and all the succesful ones.

[QPR1976]

I'm trying to keep up here, so bear with me -

GP is a likeable chap who could charm the birds from the trees.
However, he has neither the wisdom nor shown evidence to suggest he can perform the Sporting/Director of Football role (in England).

I have to disagree with Clive's initial statement of 2 bad signings to every 1.
I think it's pretty 50/50. With great thanks to SirPieChuckers previous definitive list of 39 players brought in over last 2.5 years (not including Jan 2010, sorry Carl), I tried rating them, and tried even harder to not sit on the fence. I've even tried to justify most of them, although I'm sure many will disagree (that's what makes football great - opinions !) So Good or Bad -

20 good / successful or better
Adel Taarabt Tottenham (divides opinion, but on his day the best player at QPR)
Akos Buzsaky Plymouth (brilliant, but not so good since injury ?)
Alejandro Faurlin Institute (One day he may well cost £3.5m)
Damien Delaney Hull (started well, faded, but we got our outlay back ?)
Gary Borrowdale Coventry (despite the circumstances/confusion over his signing)
Gavin Mahon Watford (steady if unspectacular, but we've really missed him)
Hogan Ephraim West Ham (still needs to prove long term worth)
Jay Simpson Arsenal (10 goals, nuff said)
Lee Cook Fulham (jury's out, potentially great business, but will he ever be as good ?)
Kaspars Gorkss Blackpool (1st choice CB)
Martin Cranie Portsmouth (Looked a cut above until injury)
Matthew Connolly Arsenal (great potential)
Mikele Leigertwood Sheff Utd (best tackler, poor passer, but important goals, new contract)
Michael Mancienne Chelsea (classy, should have tried harder to keep him)
Patrick Agyemang Preston (on fire initially, still an option as impact striker)
Radek Cerny Tottenham (still good for Championship)
Rowan Vine Birmingham (brilliant, but not so good since injury ?)
Tom Heaton Man Utd (showed enough in Carling to take over from Cerny)
Tom Williams Peterborough (not many games, did little wrong)
Wayne Routledge Aston Villa (best RW for years)

19 unmittigating disasters (To be fair harsh on some who were given little or no opportunity)
Alessandro Pellicori Avellino
Ben Watson Wigan
Bob Malcolm Derby
Chris Arthur Kettering
Damiano Tommasi Levante
Daniel Parejo Real Madrid
Emmanuel Ledesma Genoa
Fitz Hall Wigan (just what we needed initially, but less so now - 4th choice ?)
Heidar Helguson Bolton
Jason Jarrett Preston
Jordi Lopez Mallorca
Kieran Lee Man Utd
Liam Miller Sunderland
Matt Pickens Chicago (ruined Vine's career ?)
Peter Ramage Newcastle (Sousa got the best out of him, and his attitude is likeable, but.....)
Rhys Taylor Chelsea (not his fault, never played)
Samuel De Carmine Fiorentina
Scott Sinclair Chelsea
Steven Reid Blackburn

So less than 50% bad
7 of which played <10 games between them.
6 from Mediteranean shores, all of whom found it hard to settle or can't run.

Now Managers (Perm only, not makeshift/caretaker)
Di Canio - Possibly we'd be better off if he'd stayed. Poor fitness, evident by so many late goals conceeded. But surely GP would have continued to control transfers....
Dowie - Probably we'd be better off by now, but once you cross FB...
Souza - Dull football, but was building a team on strong foundations - the best defence in the league last season !
Magilton - Some of the best football witnessed since the halcyon days of "qpr1976", but lost the dressing room, so gone.
Hart - It's not started well, but who knows ?

I'm not sure what my point is after all that, but it was fun to do.
Oh yeah, IT'S ALL ABOUT OPINIONS, and winning enough games to reach the Playoffs...that would be progress. So the rest of the season starts HERE.....

[Receed R]

I'm trying to keep up here, so bear with me -

GP is a likeable chap who could charm the birds from the trees.
However, he has neither the wisdom nor shown evidence to suggest he can perform the Sporting/Director of Football role (in England).

I have to disagree with Clive's initial statement of 2 bad signings to every 1.
I think it's pretty 50/50. With great thanks to SirPieChuckers previous definitive list of 39 players brought in over last 2.5 years (not including Jan 2010, sorry Carl), I tried rating them, and tried even harder to not sit on the fence. I've even tried to justify most of them, although I'm sure many will disagree (that's what makes football great - opinions !) So Good or Bad -

20 good / successful or better
Adel Taarabt Tottenham (divides opinion, but on his day the best player at QPR)
Akos Buzsaky Plymouth (brilliant, but not so good since injury ?)
Alejandro Faurlin Institute (One day he may well cost £3.5m)
Damien Delaney Hull (started well, faded, but we got our outlay back ?)
Gary Borrowdale Coventry (despite the circumstances/confusion over his signing)
Gavin Mahon Watford (steady if unspectacular, but we've really missed him)
Hogan Ephraim West Ham (still needs to prove long term worth)
Jay Simpson Arsenal (10 goals, nuff said)
Lee Cook Fulham (jury's out, potentially great business, but will he ever be as good ?)
Kaspars Gorkss Blackpool (1st choice CB)
Martin Cranie Portsmouth (Looked a cut above until injury)
Matthew Connolly Arsenal (great potential)
Mikele Leigertwood Sheff Utd (best tackler, poor passer, but important goals, new contract)
Michael Mancienne Chelsea (classy, should have tried harder to keep him)
Patrick Agyemang Preston (on fire initially, still an option as impact striker)
Radek Cerny Tottenham (still good for Championship)
Rowan Vine Birmingham (brilliant, but not so good since injury ?)
Tom Heaton Man Utd (showed enough in Carling to take over from Cerny)
Tom Williams Peterborough (not many games, did little wrong)
Wayne Routledge Aston Villa (best RW for years)

19 unmittigating disasters (To be fair harsh on some who were given little or no opportunity)
Alessandro Pellicori Avellino
Ben Watson Wigan
Bob Malcolm Derby
Chris Arthur Kettering
Damiano Tommasi Levante
Daniel Parejo Real Madrid
Emmanuel Ledesma Genoa
Fitz Hall Wigan (just what we needed initially, but less so now - 4th choice ?)
Heidar Helguson Bolton
Jason Jarrett Preston
Jordi Lopez Mallorca
Kieran Lee Man Utd
Liam Miller Sunderland
Matt Pickens Chicago (ruined Vine's career ?)
Peter Ramage Newcastle (Sousa got the best out of him, and his attitude is likeable, but.....)
Rhys Taylor Chelsea (not his fault, never played)
Samuel De Carmine Fiorentina
Scott Sinclair Chelsea
Steven Reid Blackburn

So less than 50% bad
7 of which played <10 games between them.
6 from Mediteranean shores, all of whom found it hard to settle or can't run.

Now Managers (Perm only, not makeshift/caretaker)
Di Canio - Possibly we'd be better off if he'd stayed. Poor fitness, evident by so many late goals conceeded. But surely GP would have continued to control transfers....
Dowie - Probably we'd be better off by now, but once you cross FB...
Souza - Dull football, but was building a team on strong foundations - the best defence in the league last season !
Magilton - Some of the best football witnessed since the halcyon days of "qpr1976", but lost the dressing room, so gone.
Hart - It's not started well, but who knows ?

I'm not sure what my point is after all that, but it was fun to do.
Oh yeah, IT'S ALL ABOUT OPINIONS, and winning enough games to reach the Playoffs...that would be progress. So the rest of the season starts HERE.....

good post

[QPR1976]

I should even it up (20/20) by adding

Joe Oastler Bognor Regis (mainstay for Resses, not broke into 1st team...yet)

[Receed R]

I should even it up (20/20) by adding

Joe Oastler Bognor Regis (mainstay for Resses, not broke into 1st team...yet)

point is your trying to even it up

lots of respect for that

queue the anti GP brigade:devil:

[qprsouth]

Still 40 players that have not improved us as a team..........NOT ANTI GP JUST FACT......