Very Basic Sums

[conners]

"We are a Division one club playing in the Championship."

in the last 41 years we have spent only three seasons outside the top 2 divisions, how does that make us a league one side Connors?

PeterG, we had already been in administration and were about to go into administration again had Briatore not walked in the door. We were bottom of the league at that point in the season so unless we had some miraculous recovery we would have been back in Division one.

[terry ball]

Pre-Briatore days, we had the worst home support

Whats your point??

Why does every thread have to have Gianni's name in it?? certainly some obsession going on

no obsession, it's just that the majority of people have had enough, it's time for a change and to restore the good times

[conners]

why do you think we have the worst home support in the league? Why do you think the MAJORITY of fans feel the same?

They obviously are not happy, but it doesn't mean that they are right. The majority were saying that we should buy Watson. Were they all right then also ?

[Rangersw12]

PeterG, we had already been in administration and were about to go into administration again had Briatore not walked in the door. We were bottom of the league at that point in the season so unless we had some miraculous recovery we would have been back in Division one.

Why were we about to go in administration I thought we were "sailing in safe waters"

[terry ball]

They obviously are not happy, but it doesn't mean that they are right. The majority were saying that we should buy Watson. Were they all right then also ?

yes. Watson is not a bad player, he just didn't want to commit to playing for us. He was protecting himself from injury to enhance his chances of getting a transfer to a club he wants to play for. Basically he was enjoying a free ride on the gravy train

[qblockpete]

Terry Ball

restore the good times??

remind me when they were??

Certainly haven't been any for about 15 years

[stainrodisalegend]

there was that really great game against bristol city - or was it stoke? - about two or three years ago. that's about it...

[PeterG]

"PeterG, we had already been in administration and were about to go into administration again had Briatore not walked in the door. We were bottom of the league at that point in the season so unless we had some miraculous recovery we would have been back in Division one."

That doesnt make us a division one club playing in the chanpionship does it, only 3 years in the last 41 that is a FACT and one of the few posted here in the last few days.

Bottom line is mistakes have been made, expensive mistakes and we cant afford any more of them can we

[kingy10]

Lets just take an average

Newcastle 40,000 supporters paying Average £25 a ticket = 1 Million turnover each home game = 23 Million Pounds revenue on home games

Nottingham Forest 20,000 supporters paying £25 a ticket= £500,000 turnover each home game= 11.5 Million Pounds revenue on home games

QPR 13,000 supporters payng £25 a ticket = £325,00 turnover per game equates to 7.4 million revenue on home games

Okay you can wrap in season ticket prices, but thats the average cost per game. You could argue that clubs have cheaper and more expensive seats, but this is just used an example, as whatever calculation you do its going to be more for the bigger clubs

In the championship, how can we compete with the above teams in terms of players wages and big signings?? I hear and read concerns that we are building up a debt, which no doubt is true, but surely with the squad we have, we are living beyond our means, as in reality in the real world without the investment, we would be struggling between the championship and Division 1 and not attracting the better type player.

Lets say our players average 10k a week (an average say) and based across 22 players, thats £220,000 per week spread across 52 weeks equates to 11.4 million pounds alone in wages.

As you can see the its a deficit already and I'm just using a VERY simplified mathematical tool to put the point across, as so many things should be added.

I make the point, because some seem convinced we should be spending more??

The football business is no longer viable if you are relying on income at the gates. FACT.

The only way that clubs make money or survive in some cases is from the TV money.

Both of which in our specific case are irrelevant as our owners are absolutely, unbelievable, stinking filthy rich, so rich that we cannot even imagine that much money. Abramovich is one of the most wealthy men in the world and our owners/major shareholders are 5 times more wealthy than him.

For 10% of the interest they make on that money per year would be enough to buy a side that could compete well in the Champions League.

The frustration from the fans side is that they have not splashed out a penny for the club. All this messing around, temporary loan, you pay half we pay half is a disgrace and a shambles. If we were skint then I'd back this approach 100% and agree that is what we have to do. But we are not.

Because of this massive lack in investment it surrounds the club in a big cloud of mystery, why on earth have they invested in QPR? I could understand if they had gone for it and splashed out showing off, but surely they are making themselves look ridiculous amongst their friends. Yes we are worth billions but we wouldn't want a successful club now would we.

Money laundering seems to be the only plausible reason for them being involved. Would explain why GP is involved, would explain the gun incident, would explain the multi million pay-offs for the managers etc etc

[qprsouth]

deal with lotto = at least 250k a year

Gulf air = at least 400k a year

Corporate = at least 900k a year

food and drink = at least 500k a year

Programme sales = at least 100 k a year

Money from other sponsors=at least 300 k a year

TV money = at least 350k a year


theres another 2.5 million.


Money from just the chelsea match=at least 275k

Stoke, wigan,burnley,hull, Birmingham and pompey all got up there with crowds of no more than average 17000 in the championship so no real argument pete..OH hang on they had money men worth about 30 million max while we have 2 worth together 3 billion and that excludes mittall with a wealth of at worst time in 2009 14 billion....what is GP worth ???? minus 250 k isnt it......

[qblockpete]

thats called peanuts in terms of running this football club

[qprsouth]

2.5 million is peanuts hey......who was it that said we would only lose 1.5 million under his great ideas for the club?????????????????????????????????

[AndyB]

Conners and QBP - you two are something else.

Like Aussies constantly moaning about Brits being "Whinging Poms" - you are constantly moaning about the fans "moaning".

I think all this bottom-ache stems from the complete lack of visibility as to the strategy.
When did we last hear publicly from ANYONE on the board. Even a quote - a line of spin not fed-through their publicity machine? Months.

Why? Communicate and you might bring us all along.
Where are we really aiming?
How are we really going to do it?

Without communication you have to expect questions when it goes a bit "belly-up" surely?

Stop accusing us of all being spoilt brats when all we are doing is trying to fill-in the many thousands of blanks currently surrounding QPR FC.

[qblockoompah]

this thread has given me the right ump. Pete u know i like u but u only answer questions u can spin a line 2. theres about 100 superb points put across on ere but youve swerved em the same way that todd carty does an ice rink. If your gonna give an opinion then do it on every thing that is put to you, not just the ones you can give a horse-p155 answer to. You say that we cant afford to buy the best, well stop paying champagne wages to brown-ale players. that would be a start. Then get in a young and ambitious manager ( ie ferguson) let em do their job, and back them 100%. AND GIVE THEM TIME. GIVE THEM 2 YEARS AND TELL EM SO. GIVE EM SOME GUARANTEES SO THEY KNOW AND THE PLAYERS KNOW AND THE FANS KNOW WE HAVE STABILITY. You gotta let em buy THEIR own players. And also the first thing that should be done is millions need to be spent on youth. Might take time but the rewards would be more than worth it.

[vblockranger]

this thread has given me the right ump. Pete u know i like u but u only answer questions u can spin a line 2. theres about 100 superb points put across on ere but youve swerved em the same way that todd carty does an ice rink. If your gonna give an opinion then do it on every thing that is put to you, not just the ones you can give a horse-p155 answer to. You say that we cant afford to buy the best, well stop paying champagne wages to brown-ale players. that would be a start. Then get in a young and ambitious manager ( ie ferguson) let em do their job, and back them 100%. AND GIVE THEM TIME. GIVE THEM 2 YEARS AND TELL EM SO. GIVE EM SOME GUARANTEES SO THEY KNOW AND THE PLAYERS KNOW AND THE FANS KNOW WE HAVE STABILITY. You gotta let em buy THEIR own players. And also the first thing that should be done is millions need to be spent on youth. Might take time but the rewards would be more than worth it.

qblock bod in "talking sense" shocker!