This Claim of Doing things On The "Cheap"

[Spencer]

Pete, its all a load of tosh.We have had far too many managers to get any stability in our teams.

We can crow on about Dicanio / Dowie or Sousa - but untill we tie ouserlves to one manager - we are not going to progress.

So people can throw as many stats into the frame - if its hart to end of season....so be it.Im not happy its him but the pointless booing of him the players etc, just makes us as a club look like a bucnh of spoilt kids

[qblockpete]

Spencer, don't disagree

But in reality, unrest started after the Middlesboro 5-1 defeat and before we knew what happened at Watfford, 50% wanted magilton gone:cry: on the poll carried out on here.

Its like since head-butt gate and with a lack of leadership, fans are once again turning on each other. End of the day, none of us could have legislated for what happened.

[qblockpete]

qprsouth, I know when you are losing the argument, as you drift off into another direction.

I can remember because for me its one.

[terry ball]

Sorry??

Under Dowie we only conceded 12 goals and were one point off the play offs. Should never have got rid of him.

All this about Sousa building a team from the back, is just a smokescreen for all his defenders and to be honest he had many, not only on the pitch.

He was working with the hand dealt. Which was an unbalanced one, just the same as this year. Sousa will be managing in the prem by 2012

[Quaz]

qprsouth, I know when you are losing the argument, as you drift off into another direction.

pmsl....nobody else does that do they pete :bad_smile:

[qblockpete]

Balls, middle of February we were one point off the play offs

[Spencer]

But Pete - thats my point - i dont give a shat about what has happened...who head butted who.

This club is looking worse than the jokes you get inside a Christmas cracker.I thought that these people were serious business men....but it looks like its being run Clint Eastwood.

[Quaz]

Balls

are you getting vexed young peter

[WeAreQPR12]

He was working with the hand dealt. Which was an unbalanced one, just the same as this year. Sousa will be managing in the prem by 2012

I know how to bet and win money so i'll have a piece of that.
I'll have 50 pound on that NOT to happen!
My winnings from Pete would cover a shock loss.

[Sam-QPR]

a smoke screen

so why with the same defense he had are we absolutly shocking at the back?

you missed this question

[theblackmafia.]

who had the best winning percentage?? I do agree, we should never have got rid of Dowie

I can tell you who had the worst

SOUSA factamondo

26.9%

just stating facts.

You tend not to be able to argue with those.

Even Alan Mullery had a better win ratio...

Just for the record, games won

Dowie 53.3
Magilton 37.5
De Canio 34.3

Sousa, the one everyone some crave about, not because of his record, but it suits an agenda a whopping

26.9%:cry::shame:

qprsouth

I agree, should never have got rid of Dowie or even Magilton come to that.

As for player buyings and loans, you could see the way we beat Derby away on TV, the players are good enough, they are lacking in confidence, because they have instability at the top.

The whole place is a miserablt place at the moment, the problem is you aiming that at one person, when it runs far deeper than that. Only my opinion of course

Stop it you little tinker, you are making me laugh too loudy and my little one needs her sleep. I really do believe you should attempt stand-up as you are quite literally hilarious.

Right, first point: PS win ration may look bad, but under his tutorledge we were building a mentallity of NOT CONCEEDING, which is where all managers should start. If you don't conceed you can not lose - correct?

Second point: You say anyone regreting PS being shat on and kick out - which may I add seemed to start here, on your forum? has an agenda!? If my memory serves right, you started the agenda to get rid - as per orders from above.

Third and final point: Our players are good enough you state after one showing against Derby? As per usual, we conceeded twice and needed an officials error in not spotting a foul before simpson scored and we were given a penalty which should not have been given - so not all that impressive. During those 3 games of goals (which is the only reason we have a fairly decent strike rate) we played attractive football yet we still looked like we could conceed at any moment, as we do now, but unfortunately we literally do now.

Take your rosey specs off and stop talking plop. With the exception of maybe Cerny, Gorkss, Connolly, Faurlin, Routledge (debatable) and Simpson, we are mid-table at best and stop all this nonsense of 'bigger' crowds the higher we go as I proved you wrong in this debate a few months ago. In the top-flight we still only averaged 16,000 to 17,000 and that was when we were doing well, when we were lower half we averaged 14,000. If you require all the attendances I will dig them up for you.

[Stanley]

Pete, its pointless comparing Sousa to Dowie. His style was completely different.

Your stats suit your agenda, just like Sousa defenders' agenda.

He had a low win percentage because the squad was injury ravaged (and a lot weaker than the current one).

He had a low win percentage because he was drawing a lot of games and losing less than Dowie and a lot less than Magilton.

He also turned our defence into the meanest in the whole division. He was building from the back which is what any coaching manual will tell you to do. He would have worked his way up to the front if Briatore hadnt been so trigger-happy. Swansea is living proof and theyre on a fraction of our budget.

Yes Blackstock wasnt being picked, but why was that? Because Sousa didnt rate him or because Briatore didnt like his attitude (the story going around at the time), hence why he was sold without Sousa's blessing?

Yes of course the football was dire (your biggest gripe over him), but what did he have to work with? He was trying to build a team. He was getting his priorities right i.e. shoring up the defence, which was more important at the time than free-flowing 'sexy' football.

Who was the last QPR manager that the players eulogised over as much as Sousa? Ainsworth, Ephraim, etc. Remember how Gaz used to speak about him? How he'd learnt more from him than any other coach, how original some of his ideas were?

But of course, people couldnt take two steps back and see the bigger picture.

[Spencer]

Sam - because as you well know - defending is not just about the back four.Its about the players you have in front of you.How they defend from the front etc etc.

Also - although i hate going back - its strange how we all thought Dex and campy were shat - but have moved onto a club that is now 3rd in the league.

[qblockpete]

I've already said Dowie's team Conceded 12 goals in 12 games.

Sousa in his last 12 games also conceded 12.

What makes him such a supreme champion of the defence?? just wondered, because I keep hearing he was building the team from the back.

just to add in that 12 game spell we scored 7:cry::cry::cry::cry:

Now you'll trying to convince me that was progression.

[Quaz]

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Stop it you little tinker, you are making me laugh too loudy and my little one needs her sleep. I really do believe you should attempt stand-up as you are quite literally hilarious.

Right, first point: PS win ration may look bad, but under his tutorledge we were building a mentallity of NOT CONCEEDING, which is where all managers should start. If you don't conceed you can not lose - correct?

Second point: You say anyone regreting PS being shat on and kick out - which may I add seemed to start here, on your forum? has an agenda!? If my memory serves right, you started the agenda to get rid - as per orders from above.

Third and final point: Our players are good enough you state after one showing against Derby? As per usual, we conceeded twice and needed an officials error in not spotting a foul before simpson scored and we were given a penalty which should not have been given - so not all that impressive. During those 3 games of goals (which is the only reason we have a fairly decent strike rate) we played attractive football yet we still looked like we could conceed at any moment, as we do now, but unfortunately we literally do now.

Take your rosey specs off and stop talking plop. With the exception of maybe Cerny, Gorkss, Connolly, Faurlin, Routledge (debatable) and Simpson, we are mid-table at best and stop all this nonsense of 'bigger' crowds the higher we go as I proved you wrong in this debate a few months ago. In the top-flight we still only averaged 16,000 to 17,000 and that was when we were doing well, when we were lower half we averaged 14,000. If you require all the attendances I will dig them up for you.

Pete, its pointless comparing Sousa to Dowie. His style was completely different.

Your stats suit your agenda, just like Sousa defenders' agenda.

He had a low win percentage because the squad was injury ravaged (and a lot weaker than the current one).

He had a low win percentage because he was drawing a lot of games and losing less than Dowie and a lot less than Magilton.

He also turned our defence into the meanest in the whole division. He was building from the back which is what any coaching manual will tell you to do. He would have worked his way up to the front if Briatore hadnt been so trigger-happy. Swansea is living proof and theyre on a fraction of our budget.

Yes Blackstock wasnt being picked, but why was that? Because Sousa didnt rate him or because Briatore didnt like his attitude (the story going around at the time), hence why he sold without Sousa's blessing.

Yes of course the football was dire (your biggest gripe over him), but what did he have to work with? He was trying to build a team. He was getting his priorities right i.e. shoring up the defence, which was more important at the time than free-flowing 'sexy' football.

Who was the last QPR manager that the players eulogised over as much as Sousa? Ainsworth, Ephraim, etc. Remember how Gaz used to speak about him? How he'd learnt more from him than any other coach, how original some of his ideas were?

But of course, people couldnt take two steps back and see the bigger picture.

oh sh!t they are tag teaming him...good show young men