Two more for Beckford

[cross it Dave]

NewsNow are reporting Kris Boyd is joining Birmingham, rather have him than all the 3rd division players we're linked with.

[Bluehoop]

Can Beckford cut it in the Championship? Who knows - let Leeds find out next year......he won't cut it with us in the Premier so don't let's waste the fee!!

[Nodge70]

NewsNow are reporting Kris Boyd is joining Birmingham, rather have him than all the 3rd division players we're linked with.

Flat track bully. Only scores his goals against second/third tier standard sides (St Mirren, Motherwell, Dundee Utd etc) and is possibly the laziest player I've seen. Also seen some scouting reports on him from last season. Don't make pretty reading!

[Del]

BORING, BORING, BORING......

The reason why anyone with a brain doesn't get interested or excited about Beckfords goal record is written in your post.... yes he scored 2, but it was against Bristol Rovers.... but to make it even less of an achievement, it was for a completely dominant side who won 4-0. Means absolutely nothing regarding whether he can cut it at a higher level.

Consider this. If he's that desperate to play in the CCC, why not just re-sign another lucrative deal with Leeds who will be there next year and are a massive club, and in fact will probably be the biggest club in the CCC next year. Maybe it's because he or his agent thinks he'll struggle to really make an impression at the higher level, so thinks he's got more chance of securing a bumper pay day if he leaves now when many are deluded by his goals to game ratio ignoring it's at a lower standard, rather than gettign promoted, not really being any better than countless other ccc strikers and then his stock is lower.

Just a theory .

[stanistheman]

So Beckford can score freely at League 1 level. That doesn't make him good value for a fee of £2M+.

Yes, he might be able to make the step up, but quite a lot of others have tried and failed. A few of these are Billy Sharp, Nathan Tyson & Izale McLeod. There are quite a few others, but their names don't spring to mind.

In pre-season, many were calling for QPR to spend £2M on Simon Cox and so far he has struggled to even get a game at West Brom.

[Receed R]

Can Beckford cut it in the Championship? Who knows - let Leeds find out next year......he won't cut it with us in the Premier so don't let's waste the fee!!

my point exactly

[cross it Dave]

Forgive me, but what's a fat track bully?.

St Mirren, Motherwell, & Dundee Utd are all SPL clubs, and 7 in 15 for Scotland.

[Bluehoop]

Forgive me, but what's a fat track bully?.

St Mirren, Motherwell, & Dundee Utd are all SPL clubs, and 7 in 15 for Scotland.

Was that deliberate, if so LOL.
Cricketing reference to ordinary batsman that can score runs for fun until they get on a proper pitch with a bit of sideways movement or a bit of turn.
Whilst on the cricket theme just heard the devastating news that David "Shep" Shepherd has died ........RIP to a legend of the game.

[Nodge70]

Forgive me, but what's a fat track bully?.

St Mirren, Motherwell, & Dundee Utd are all SPL clubs, and 7 in 15 for Scotland.

Flat track bully - euphemism for a bowler who can only skittle out rabbits, tailenders and poor batsmen on green wicket and/or batsmen who make piles of runs on flat wickets but can't do anything on turning pitch or anything with movement (think Ian Bell and Graeme Hick) . i.e. someone who shines against poor opponents but is very ordinary against better ones.

St Mirren etc might very well be SPL clubs, but don't get near the standard of the CCC, let alone the PL.

[THE FLYING COW]

yeah

good shout del i agree we should buy him in january

[WeAreQPR12]

I am with Del on this.
Scoring for a dominent team in a shi te league does not make him quality.
For me we need to be looking at players like Simpson that can hack it in the premier if we go up.

[Robbo]

Leigh only rates Grant from that poor southend side that lost to the might Carlisle

Oh well, that's sorted then.
He's sh*t.

Based on a selective opinion of a Southend "fan" on a website, or is it because of the current level he's playing at?

Not a pop at your quote, so don't get the hump here, but... why do so many QPR fans right off good young players, simply because they are currently playing at a lower level?

Wolves and Reading have both p*ssed this division in very recent times... and if I could be ar$ed, I could give a list of very good players they brought in from lower leagues, who had potential... and with the right management went on to become title winning players that proved if you have the ability and desire - you don't have to be a Prem Reject, or another second division player to cut it in the second division.
Because that's what we still are - a second division team. Despite the recent comparisons to Brazil 1970.

Or QPR 1975/76. (packed with lower league players)

But all of a sudden we don't need these "over-rated, lower league" nobodies, because we've got Arsenals Jay Simpson, and.....??

Odd.

[Del]

Oh well, that's sorted then.
He's sh*t.

Based on a selective opinion of a Southend "fan" on a website, or is it because of the current level he's playing at?

Not a pop at your quote, so don't get the hump here, but... why do so many QPR fans right off good young players, simply because they are currently playing at a lower level?

Wolves and Reading have both p*ssed this division in very recent times... and if I could be ar$ed, I could give a list of very good players they brought in from lower leagues, who had potential... and with the right management went on to become title winning players that proved if you have the ability and desire - you don't have to be a Prem Reject, or another second division player to cut it in the second division.
Because that's what we still are - a second division team. Despite the recent comparisons to Brazil 1970.

Or QPR 1975/76. (packed with lower league players)

But all of a sudden we don't need these "over-rated, lower league" nobodies, because we've got Arsenals Jay Simpson, and.....??

Odd.

I think a lot of people's opinions are being taken out of context a bit. AS a player i would be very, very happy if he was signed and added to our squad, BUT, not at the over inflated fees being suggested. Until proven at this level, which he isn't yet, he simply is not worth it. Not to mention he only has 6 months left on his contract...

Yes he could prove to be a star a this level and who knows, maybe grow into a good prem player also, but at this time, league 1 stats don;t mean a thing, hence comparisons to other's who promised much and not dellivered. That's all.

Yes those teams did get lower league players, but didn't pay fortunes for them. Doyle for example came from Ireland for about 20k or something ludicrously low, and he hit the ground running.

[Robbo]

I think a lot of people's opinions are being taken out of context a bit. AS a player i would be very, very happy if he was signed and added to our squad, BUT, not at the over inflated fees being suggested. Until proven at this level, which he isn't yet, he simply is not worth it. Not to mention he only has 6 months left on his contract...

Yes he could prove to be a star a this level and who knows, maybe grow into a good prem player also, but at this time, league 1 stats don;t mean a thing, hence comparisons to other's who promised much and not dellivered. That's all.

Del, If you're talking about Beckford... I agree. £3m is too much money for a player who's contract is up in a few months.

I'm talking about the likes of Simeon Jackson and Lee Barnard, both in the region(ish) of £1m.
And they are both being written off as "not good enough"... not because of their price, but the division they are playing in. Purely that.

And yet Gary Hooper?? He's played 10 games in this division in his entire career, including a spell at Southend in the "lower league", but because of that - he's "proven at this level".
Not aimed at you, or *anyone* in particular, but the general stuff I see written about players from League One makes me wonder if it was a good job the internet wasn't around in the 70's and 80's.

Can you imagine it?

"Stan Bowles, from poxy Carlisle Utd?? We can do better than him, over-rated, wont hack it at our level... etc"

"Les Ferdinand?? From non-league?? WTF are we doing with nobodies like him??... we should get that Lee Chapman from Arsenal, he's a big old lump...etc?"



"Don Masson, Trevor Sinclair, Andy Sinton, Phil Parkes, David Seaman, Simon Stainrod, Gary Bannister???? What do we want those lower level nobodies for? Too risky"

Oh and Simon Cox. Injured and not getting into the WBA team... he must be a waste of money, after all we're 10 weeks into the season. His career is over. Point proven etc..
It's nonsense.

We have built our entire recent (and pretty successful) history on spotting players like Stan, Trevor Sinclair and Sir Les from these sewers of football, and polishing them, and creating legends. But now?? Nah, not from a good enough "level".


Yeah, yeah, I'll get slaughtered for this by some... but the thought crosses my mind every time I log on to these sites - Who the f**k do we think we are??



Sorry.


*Tin hat on*

[Del]

Del, If you're talking about Beckford... I agree. £3m is too much money for a player who's contract is up in a few months.

I'm talking about the likes of Simeon Jackson and Lee Barnard, both in the region(ish) of £1m.
And they are both being written off as "not good enough"... not because of their price, but the division they are playing in. Purely that.

And yet Gary Hooper?? He's played 10 games in this division in his entire career, including a spell at Southend in the "lower league", but because of that - he's "proven at this level".
Not aimed at you, or *anyone* in particular, but the general stuff I see written about players from League One makes me wonder if it was a good job the internet wasn't around in the 70's and 80's.

Can you imagine it?

"Stan Bowles, from poxy Carlisle Utd?? We can do better than him, over-rated, wont hack it at our level... etc"

"Les Ferdinand?? From non-league?? WTF are we doing with nobodies like him??... we should get that Lee Chapman from Arsenal, he's a big old lump...etc?"



"Don Masson, Trevor Sinclair, Andy Sinton, Phil Parkes, David Seaman, Simon Stainrod, Gary Bannister???? What do we want those lower level nobodies for? Too risky"

Oh and Simon Cox. Injured and not getting into the WBA team... he must be a waste of money, after all we're 10 weeks into the season. His career is over. Point proven etc..
It's nonsense.

We have built our entire recent (and pretty successful) history on spotting players like Stan, Trevor Sinclair and Sir Les from these sewers of football, and polishing them, and creating legends. But now?? Nah, not from a good enough "level".


Yeah, yeah, I'll get slaughtered for this by some... but the thought crosses my mind every time I log on to these sites - Who the f**k do we think we are??



Sorry.


*Tin hat on*

Robbo, yes i was talking about Beckford, sorry missed the referencees to the other players. You make good points though and i agree with the sentiment. Sir les is the prime example for me coming from about 4 divisions lower at the time, or was it more even? The rest is history.....