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[WeAreQPR12]

I agree Pete.
Living in surrey really highlights the problem with classes.
The difference between middle class and upper class has widened.
I just never thought this problem would move to football which used to be a working mans game, oh how times have changed. W12 I wasn't having a go however...for a successful businessman I am suprised you haven't learn't to engage that brain before upsetting fellow fans.

[W12_Ranger]

w12 I don't think your the right person to really question the loyalty of a fan struggling. You talk like £60 is 60pence and you have a disrespect for money. You have told me you earn more in a day than I earn in a week. So what the **** is £60 makes you come across as an upper class snob. I am glad you can shout across from Platinum to the c club and agree with Flab about us ****my £20 fans.

Half season ticket = 12 games = £5 per match extra than a West Brom half ST.

Spread that over 5 months and it is **** all

I not an upper class snob, I'm a working class lad from the White City Estate and I refuse to apologise for having more paper in my sky rocket than others.

I feel like I've had this conversation a 100 times before on this MB and whilst I genuinely accept there are those who don't have a pot to **** in there are those that use price increases time and time again as justification for not going Rangers now when reasons more than likely are based on principal, they can't get free tickets anymore (major one that is) or they are being too tight fisted.

How many of those who claim to penniless but can still afford to cover their smoking, drink or gambling habits etc. Those habits you can live without but I couldn't live without the Rangers.

I don't have a disrespect for money, I have a lot of respect for money thats why I don't have to worry about it because us a young lad I realised the importance of it and worked ****** hard to earn it.

I except that there is a small percentage of our fan base who can't attend because of financial reasons but lets stop blaming the reccession and look at other reasons why crowds are down.

I cite free / blagged entry and the season ticket book scam as major reasons.

[cross it Dave]

To be fair you've hit on why the branding system is wrong. This Platinum/Gold/Silver/Bronze idea is a class system whatever way you dress it up and leads to arguments amongst fans . If someone says " I have Platinum" it gives an impression of someone that he has loads of money, which in itself causes a little resentment.

Don't know why this branding was ever introduced. If You sit on the half way line its always been more expensive anyway.

What utter nonsense, spend less in the pub and buy a better ticket for the game.

[W12_Ranger]

To be fair you've hit on why the branding system is wrong. This Platinum/Gold/Silver/Bronze idea is a class system whatever way you dress it up and leads to arguments amongst fans . If someone says " I have Platinum" it gives an impression of someone that he has loads of money, which in itself causes a little resentment.

Don't know why this branding was ever introduced. If You sit on the half way line its always been more expensive anyway.

Pete you are absolutely spot on

What utter nonsense, spend less in the pub and buy a better ticket for the game.

Cross it Dave you are spot on as well in your simple analysis of the economics of the situation but your wrong to tell Pete he is speaking nonsense. Just look at WeAreQPR12's response to the debate this typifies a lot of QPR fans with this us and them attitude.

Your right spend less money in the pub buy a better ticket. However, thats to simple and what would the whingers have to moan about if they adopted a pragmatic approach to the situation.

Other very simple ways to save money at the football

Don't buy merchandise, don't buy refreshments, don't buy a programme and don't go to the pub before the game...I don't do any this myself because I actually consider it a waste of money but how much would the average fan save if they actusally went down this line?



WeAreQPR12 you adopt the same narrow minded attitude with me all the time on this debate which annoys me because you try to make me out to be this loaded arrogant individual who couldn't give a toss about the 'little man' and it seems like you are on some sort of crusade to stand up for him all the time against me. What can I say I've a capitalist attitude towards life and the ultimate taboo on this MB is to challenge those who are refusing to put their hands in their pockets and support the club. These tight fisted individuals have a bad habit of hiding behind those who are genuinely skint or for the best part are just incapable of managing their own finnacial situation but look to blame everyone else for it other than themselves.....I've seen it all my life mate growing up where I have, so I know what I'm talking about even if you don't agree with my point of view.

[cross it Dave]

Why is it a class thing?, I'm working class and I've been unemployed for several months now as well.

I never seen or heard arguments on this, you spend your money how you want. the people I sit next to in Platninum are a mixed bag, none, I would imagine are very rich or very poor, the one thing we all have in common is, we all love the Rangers, and we'll pay the money.

It is not a class thing, economic yes.

The club should do more for people who can't afford it, I'm sure they know that anyway.

I'm fully in favor of kids for free, family tickets for £20 etc, I want a packed Loftus Rd for every game.

[W12_Ranger]

Why is it a class thing?, I'm working class and I've been unemployed for several months now as well.

I never seen or heard arguments on this, you spend your money how you want. the people I sit next to in Platninum are a mixed bag, none, I would imagine are very rich or very poor, the one thing we all have in common is, we all love the Rangers, and we'll pay the money.

It is not a class thing, economic yes.

The club should do more for people who can't afford it, I'm sure they know that anyway.

I'm fully in favor of kids for free, family tickets for £20 etc, I want a packed Loftus Rd for every game.

Dave I think your slightly misunderstanding Petes point, I don't think Pete was refering to it being a social class issue - or at least I don't think he was.

[cross it Dave]

I think he was, but whatever, lets move on.

I'm sure attendances will rise if we're still doing well come the spring, whatever the cost.

[Nodge70]

Just a very brief scan through this thread is a microscosm of the divisive nature of price increases and the banding structure. For that reason alone, it needs to be addressed.

[qpr_matt]

What utter nonsense, spend less in the pub and buy a better ticket for the game.

Thats the thing. It shouldnt be that expensive that you need to change your lifestyle to watch QPR. It never use to be and while we are in teh CCC, we still shouldnt.

[davidla80]

Speaking for myself, I only go to a few games each season.
Why?
1. Partially because I like to spend time with my wife and son (and now, daughter) as a family.
2. Partially money. Lack of. I could spend less towards overpaying the mortgage but that to me is more important for the family than QPR.
I've been a fan since I was 3 months old (when I was first a member) and I have spent a fair amount of time living outside the UK. I'm sure some of you woudn't do that because that would mean missing QPR. I understand that - tho I'm more than happy to have lived abroad.
If we had the same outgoings and I was earning twice as much I'm sure I would come to QPR more often but I'm not so I don't!
So yes, occassionally I watch QPR as a treat for both myself and my 6 year old son. The games I saw last season were Barnsley and Burnley at home and Palace away - so don't call me a glory hunter for going to those games
If some of you were in the same position as me then you might choose to buy an ST and spend less on the morgage. Fair enough.
Perhaps this makes me less of a fan than those of you that spend your hard-earned on QPR, but it doesn't matter does it? I'm still a QPR fan - have been for 45 years, and will continue to be for the next 45 (if I make it that far!).

[W12_Ranger]

Thats the thing. It shouldnt be that expensive that you need to change your lifestyle to watch QPR. It never use to be and while we are in teh CCC, we still shouldnt.

Why is it some fans choose to ignore the ecomincs of the issue, we have one of the highest wage bills in the CCC yet we discussing an attendance of 11900 against a local rival.

Trouble is some fans want their cake and eat it and I can guarantee that by the time we are in the PL it won't be too long before fans are complaining about ticket prices again.

Maybe if some of our fan base which apparently is out there attended more through the years and pushed our average attendances up ST prices wouldn't have been set so high in the first place.

[Robbo]

Why is it some fans choose to ignore the ecomincs of the issue?, we have one of the highest wage bills in the CCC yet we discussing an attendance of 11900 against a local rival.

Trouble is some fans want their cake and eat it and I can guarantee that by the time we are in the PL it won't be too long before fans are complaining about ticket prices again.

Maybe if some of our fan base which apparently is out there attended more through the years and pushed our average attendances up ST prices wouldn't have been set so high in the first place.

Works both ways, economics.

Some people geniunely can't afford to get to games. Fact.
Ironically, the bulk of that post seems to be ignoring that side of the "economics".

Not as simple as fans not turning up, moaning etc..

[Scarlet pimple]

When the club increased st prices, at the time the football we played was not very entertaining and results were nothing to shout about, so i too was b loody annoyed at such an increase......as i'm on a pension i had to think very hard about getting a dicounted st this season...............i am so glad i did the football at the mo is brilliant, well worth the money i have laid out and dont undestand people now not turning up.........all this crap about princables is imo a load of old tosh, fans with young familys and a mortgage i can understand not being able to afford to come.

So what excuse is there left for the rest.....Princables my ####.

[W12_Ranger]

Works both ways, economics.

Some people geniunely can't afford to get to games. Fact.
Ironically, the bulk of that post seems to be ignoring that side of the "economics".

Not as simple as fans not turning up, moaning etc..

I have outlined my feelings on that already, I haven't ignored nothing.

Football is an expensive sport to follow nowadays there is no denying that but do those complaining now think it will get any cheaper if we are promoted of course it won't.

I do think it is that simple as well lets see if they all come crawling out the woodwork if our good form continue.

Amazing how we can take 7000 to OT, 6000 to SB or 2000 Newcastle ALL midweek.

Reading is as close as we get to a local derby in this division (bar Palace and Watford), 11900 is a pathetic turn out. Just for the record it would have probably been less due to all ST Holders adding to the attendance regardless of whether they are there or not.

[ollyhoops]

Guys guys guys,

Remember, we are in the champsionship playing blackpool, barnsley and plymouth etc I do not know how they can justify charging extortionate ticket prices higher than Fulham.

If we were in the Premiership then I can understand it a little more, but to charge £30 to watch Championship football is totally wrong regardless what people think.

It isn't about what people can afford, its the principle of it and I think they hiked the prices to early IMO.

Banding loftus road was the worst thing they ever did as it really did split the fans, however, I know we are a small club and they have to try and raise some money elsewhere but to hit the fans as hard as that was simply wrong.