Paul Clement

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

My points quite obvious i would of thought! youre bigging up and sticking by clement swanseas sacked manager, making a big thing of losing 3 of his best players, yetwe have lost a whole defense yet you seem to completely ignore that, and a reason why ollies played one or two out of position because of it!

Have we?

[West Acton]

The lost while defence is more excuses I’m bored of it now

Everyone wanted Furlong, Perch, Ned and Lynch dropped because there apparently rubbish (lynch is) but now there not playing there excuse for hard times although it’s what everyone wanted. Few games back people were saying can’t drop Robinson or Baps for players just mentioned

It’s all smoke mirrors and excuses for p iss poor managerial decisions and preparation

[Tarbie]

The lost while defence is more excuses I’m bored of it now

Everyone wanted Furlong, Perch, Ned and Lynch dropped because there apparently rubbish (lynch is) but now there not playing there excuse for hard times although it’s what everyone wanted. Few games back people were saying can’t drop Robinson or Baps for players just mentioned

It’s all smoke mirrors and excuses for p iss poor managerial decisions and preparation

Isn't it mate?

Anyone who watches us play can see that having 3 or 4 defenders missing ain't the problem. The selection and tactical issues run far deeper than that. And like you pointed out, Robinson in particular has been a revelation at centre half. Also, if a lack of defenders was the issue, surely we would be playing 4 at the back, not 5!

[Shepherds Mush]

And what has that got to do with it?

For us to "go with our hearts" and it's his "destiny" to manage us.

I bet Clement couldn't give two monkeys about QPR and has more affinity with Chelsea than us.

[Alanwycombe]

For us to "go with our hearts" and it's his "destiny" to manage us.

I bet Clement couldn't give two monkeys about QPR and has more affinity with Chelsea than us.

This. All this 'through and through' nonsense - whoever it is and wherever they work - is just rubbish. They are doing a job for a very nice salary, simple as that. Managing or playing for a club you once supported usually ends in tears and half the decent players Liverpool have had in modern times grew up as Blues! If you seriously want to apply the 'through and through' label to Holloway it would be Bristol Rovers.......ask City.

[Bluehoop]

Doesn't offend me in the slightest and most of the points you make are fair.

Your team was bottom of the league before he got there, the board sell your 3 best assets and don't replace them adequately and make 30m in the process.
What is Clement to do with that exactly? It's the Swansea board who need sacking.
Rug completely pulled from beneath him.
The Sigurdsson point you make doesn't wash. Thats a 45m player gone from the team and that's his worth, nothing skewed there. And he hasn't been replaced.

Your points about the class of player at our disposal is valid. Can Clement (or anyone) get more out of them? I dunno. But he is a top class coach and I'd take him to get more out of a squad of players than Ollie whom I think hasn't a scooby.

This is complete tosh though:
'Do you realise how much money he gets to spend there. Everything is relative, as in quality of players plus available funds versus league status. Oh, and more importantly, the reason he says it went wrong is because he doesn't have the quality of strikers required to score the goals to win the points.'

He has spent 30million less than he's brought in.
You cannot lose a 10 Premier League goals a season midfielder and your creative spark and your one in two Prem striker, not replace them and expect to do better.
I don't know how you don't see this.

If he were to buy Abrahams and Sanches rather than loan them the £30M stat wouldn't work - Sanches alone cost Munich 35M In his own words, Clement said he was the ideal "replacement" for the midfielder (Remember Clement, the amazing coach, worked with him at Munich, so who would know best). And Bony has averaged a goal every 2.8 games in a 301 game career to date. OK, he may not be ripping up trees just now but compare it to us when we lost Austin - we replaced him with who exactly? The fact is the man hasn't exactly been given the tools to compete in the top half of the table but honestly, as a like for like comparison, praising him and saying he's the man for us when he left with a record that makes Holloway's look decent - that's the tosh in my view

[Norths]

Abrahams is far too raw for the prem. Plenty of potential there, but a big ask to have him replace llorentes goals.

Bony is a shadow of his former self. That move to citeh stopped him in his tracks. Made plenty of money, mind.

Renato isn't fit to lace siggys boots. No idea why Clement gambled on him being the replacement considering how bad a first year he had at Bayern. Wouldn't surprise me if they ship him out permanently next summer.

[Pinkie]

I'm sorry Pinks. If you can't hold an adult conversation I'll leave it there. You're borderline deluded.

What an arrogrant response, i was just making a note of you sticking up for clements stint as swansea manager & how you seem to feel for him cos hes lost 3 of his best players, yet ollies lost a whole defence most of the season yet youve never mentioned that, i realise you`re talking about swansea....still never mind

[Pinkie]

Never had any issue with you fella but you say tosh and suggest I make an incorrect point, well sorry if I disagree.

Of course they made a profit, selling Siggursen for £45M skews the record a touch doesn't it. Clement himself said he couldn't do anything about results without a new striker - well blow me, what the #### would he make of Matt Smith & Co.

Our clueless manager and DoF brought in Scowen, Baptiste, Wheeler and Smyth this summer - 4 top drawer household names of course whereas Clement got (that I'm aware of) Abrahams on loan, Bony (a former prolific striker that even 50% fit beats Washy & Co) Clucas who had a great season in '16/17 and the man Clement himself hailed as a wonderful signing Sanches, from Munich. Who is to blame for him being a super flop? Who knows.

Still, as you say the profit they made was remarkable, they don't have any decent players and it's obvious why they only managed one win (and four points out of 30) in the last 10 games.

Our squad is way worse than theirs, our club has been a car crash far longer than theirs, we have FFP but they are the ones in tatters but never mind - tosh pf course and Clement is not any better than what we have - not an incorrect point, an opinion based on the foregoing and other stuff. Sorry if that offends but if the cap fits

[Pinkie]

What I mean by that mate is Clement is a guy that until 2 years ago had never been more than an Assistant. Admittedly an Assistant to some of the best managers in the world, but still an Assistant. Prior to that, his playing career was all in the non-league.

He's gone from there straight into Manager jobs in the top end of the Championship and lower end of the Premier League. He hasn't served any time as a Manager a bit lower down the leagues, he has walked straight into high pressure jobs where excellent results are expected from day one.

With us, his remit will be simple. Save us from going down this season, bring in a few players on the cheap in the summer (and I'd suggest his connections from stints at Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid & Bayern Munich would really help in securing some loan deals for promising young players), then challenge for play-offs next season. These are far more realistic expectations than he has been posed in his last 2 jobs!

Ha you goto laugh, so you think he`d be guaranteed to bring some great players in on the cheap?! im well chuffed with what ollies brought in & if ollie gets the boot i cant see us continueing with the excellent recruitment done on the cheap, thats why i say becareful what people wish for as can see us getting worse with someone else bringing in new players on the cheap!

[West Acton]

Pinks your defence point is totally mute

[Tarbie]

Ha you goto laugh, so you think he`d be guaranteed to bring some great players in on the cheap?! im well chuffed with what ollies brought in & if ollie gets the boot i cant see us continueing with the excellent recruitment done on the cheap, thats why i say becareful what people wish for as can see us getting worse with someone else bringing in new players on the cheap!

Ain't no good bringing in good players if you don't know how to use them mate. Holloway has been great in the transfer market since his return. But in contrast he's been consistently terrible when it comes to selecting a side and setting them up well tactically.

The point I was making about Clement is that he has been employed by PSG, Chelsea, Bayern and Real Madrid in recent years. During those years of employment, he has most likely forged relationships that he could leverage in the transfer market. Given our obvious lack of funds, a loan from Chelsea or Bayern sounds pretty good to me right now.

How you've turned that into an argument about your bum chum is beyond me!

[Stanley]

ollies lost a whole defence most of the season

Except that is simply untrue....but don't let the facts get in your way.

[WeAreQPR12]

Except that is simply untrue....but don't let the facts get in your way.

Stan just out of interest, what was you expecting for this season. Let's swap positions I was praying we'd stay up. You could argue he has done very well with no money and has a side that could finish mid table but the reality of it all is that we aren't doing bad and we're about where we should be

[Tarbie]

Stan just out of interest, what was you expecting for this season. Let's swap positions I was praying we'd stay up. You could argue he has done very well with no money and has a side that could finish mid table but the reality of it all is that we aren't doing bad and we're about where we should be

I thought we'd do terrible this season personally, mainly because of the manager. But then I saw us play a bit in the early part of the season and I realised we've actually got a few decent footballers in the squad.

My issue is we are losing games week in, week out tactically. We ain't losing cos the other team are better, or cos they've worked harder. We're losing cos we're set up badly and the tactics are awful!