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Originally posted by Rangers77 View PostCheers, Jack. Can't ask for more than that. Half empty? Sometimes I don't even have a glass ...
Cheers. And a fair point. Yep. Wrong time to raise the thread. Sorry, folks. Should have just enjoyed the point and the performance. Thing is I thought we could have taken all three, so was a tad disappointed. The fact we didn't wasn't entirely down to Luongo, obviously, but I feel his offensive inability had much to do with it. Hence the tantrum. One provoked by watching Luongo underperform offensively for eighteen months. Perch was the player breaking up play yesterday. Manning up against Shelvy. That meant Luongo was the creative of the three. And the one meant to get ocassionally in front of Washington and Mackie. Which, as ever, he wasn't. And didn't... CMs can't be simply 'destroyers' or 'creatives'. They need be a bit of both. Sure Luongo covers and tackles. That's a CMs day job. They need also chip in goals and assists. He doesn't. I've concluded he can't and won't
Cheers too, Hereford. You may be right. On reflection I think, probably, that I have a poorer opinion of Luongo than I should perhaps because that particular persistent irritant on here keeps stridently instructing us he's the best midfielder in the championship, which he so clearly isn't. That might, in part, help explain why he's my present doll. Maybe I just miss the People's Armand..?
But I stick to the opinion that Luongo doesn't bring what he should to the table. If he'd were even average offensively he's have made more of his chances last night and created a chance for someone from that break away. He ought have stopped Burton's second Saturday. But, hey, he scores the winner Saturday (or creates it) I'll be as pleased as punch.
Loads of positives last night. Hands up I should have focused on them first. We've had so few of them this season
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Originally posted by Shepherds Mush View PostI'd bet he didn't make as many tackles as Manning though
Someone above mentioned that the simple thing that must be done with Luongo is to just make it clear that he's not the offensive midfielder. Bringing in Ravel does that. Luongo now doesn't have to worry about being the driving force in the midfield and can instead just focus on defending and releasing it forward."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by nasser95 View PostManning made 6 tackles, Luongo made 5 but Luongo also made an interception that Manning didn't do. Luongo also won a couple in the air and manning only won one and Luongo made a successful dribble which manning didn't do. Only Perch played more accurate passes than Luongo (39 to 38) and no one on our side took as many first touches as Luongo with 77 touches.
Someone above mentioned that the simple thing that must be done with Luongo is to just make it clear that he's not the offensive midfielder. Bringing in Ravel does that. Luongo now doesn't have to worry about being the driving force in the midfield and can instead just focus on defending and releasing it forward.
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Originally posted by Shepherds Mush View PostSo basically Manning won more tackles than Luongo."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by Shepherds Mush View PostIrrelevant when answering a question about the number of tackles made, which was what I was doing."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by Rangers77 View PostPony player. Been watching his empty shirt for eighteen months now. Offers nothing. A handful of passable games. The rest have been rubbish. Benchmeat at best. Ideally off to China. Get the new lads in.
Great point.
I totally disagree, but understand Mass can have his off days or 1st half woes. BUT overall and IMO he's one of my stand-out players for us. Smithies is clearly the our POTY realistically but for influential players on the pitch, Luongo ticks that box for me.
The guy works hard for 90 minutes, he does the jobs that nobody notices as important, similar to why Henry got slated week in week out. Lastly I am pretty sure he's one of our top if not our best player when it comes to most assists.
PONY? Wow, you need a wake up call if he's Pony.
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Originally posted by qpr4life View PostI stopped myself from replying earlier because the thread annoyed me, partly because you're entitled to your opinion.
I totally disagree, but understand Mass can have his off days or 1st half woes. BUT overall and IMO he's one of my stand-out players for us. Smithies is clearly the our POTY realistically but for influential players on the pitch, Luongo ticks that box for me.
The guy works hard for 90 minutes, he does the jobs that nobody notices as important, similar to why Henry got slated week in week out. Lastly I am pretty sure he's one of our top if not our best player when it comes to most assists.
PONY? Wow, you need a wake up call if he's Pony.
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Originally posted by nasser95 View PostManning made 6 tackles, Luongo made 5 but Luongo also made an interception that Manning didn't do. Luongo also won a couple in the air and manning only won one and Luongo made a successful dribble which manning didn't do. Only Perch played more accurate passes than Luongo (39 to 38) and no one on our side took as many first touches as Luongo with 77 touches.
Someone above mentioned that the simple thing that must be done with Luongo is to just make it clear that he's not the offensive midfielder. Bringing in Ravel does that. Luongo now doesn't have to worry about being the driving force in the midfield and can instead just focus on defending and releasing it forward.
Not digging out Mass, thought he had a good game overall but 6 tackles in 60mins far out trumps 5 in 90.
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Mass is getting better and better each season for me - he's had more of an influence on games this season than last, and that signals improvement.
I'd remind supporters that we aren't buying the finished article in players anymore - including Mass. Developing nicely IMO.
He was fantastic up at Wigan earlier on this season, as well as Leeds at home on the first day, and Reading away the other week.
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Originally posted by qpr4life View PostI stopped myself from replying earlier because the thread annoyed me, partly because you're entitled to your opinion.
I totally disagree, but understand Mass can have his off days or 1st half woes. BUT overall and IMO he's one of my stand-out players for us. Smithies is clearly the our POTY realistically but for influential players on the pitch, Luongo ticks that box for me.
The guy works hard for 90 minutes, he does the jobs that nobody notices as important, similar to why Henry got slated week in week out. Lastly I am pretty sure he's one of our top if not our best player when it comes to most assists.
PONY? Wow, you need a wake up call if he's Pony.
Compare his performances and his effectiveness to the team with young Ryan Manning, a lad who was thrust straight into first team football with a Championship side, without the benefit of time in League One either.
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Originally posted by qpr4life View PostI stopped myself from replying earlier because the thread annoyed me, partly because you're entitled to your opinion.
I totally disagree, but understand Mass can have his off days or 1st half woes. BUT overall and IMO he's one of my stand-out players for us. Smithies is clearly the our POTY realistically but for influential players on the pitch, Luongo ticks that box for me.
The guy works hard for 90 minutes, he does the jobs that nobody notices as important, similar to why Henry got slated week in week out. Lastly I am pretty sure he's one of our top if not our best player when it comes to most assists.
PONY? Wow, you need a wake up call if he's Pony.
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