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Originally posted by brightonr View PostNas, I keep seeing you state he's scored 1.5 goals in a year. Care to explain as I'm obviously missing something?
As for west's point, I criticised polter when we sold fer and people may remember me saying he would never be near the level of Fer. Once Fer left, Chery came back and started playing well and kept it up really until a recent phase where he's been awful and I've agreed with people on that. With that being said, calling him an awful player is a huge overstatement. He got goals and assists, however they came, he gave results. When he stopped doing that, it was the right time to move him on. Washington has not given results for a year and has yet to come under as much fire as Chery did in the last few weeks that he's been really disappointing.
What I find interesting is that expectation has such a huge implication on how people judge players. Chery was miles miles better than Washington but because people expected more from chery, he's awful while Washington has potential because people don't expect as much from him. Running around is good enough and he's not as awful as Chery is."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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In my humble opinion Chery was awful player as his absence from the team has demonstrated so kudos to Ollie for dropping him
He might have scored the odd goal here and there but he totally disabled the team and what he brought to the table did not outweigh the negative impact he had.
Washington is average player but a trier so will give him credit for that I don't think when he plays he makes us any worse as was the case with Chery
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Washington has looked ok at times. I feel a bit sorry for him. Mostly we have not played to his strengths. Needs to be in a 4-4-2 to allow him space to be effective.
Has struggled and do wonder whether a loan move would help him get some confidence back. If he could start scoring the rest of his game isn't bad.
An easy target due to his lack of goals but I'm open minded.
We do though in my view need two strikers in if he is to join the exodus.
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Originally posted by West Acton View PostIn my humble opinion Chery was awful player as his absence from the team has demonstrated so kudos to Ollie for dropping him
He might have scored the odd goal here and there but he totally disabled the team and what he brought to the table did not outweigh the negative impact he had.
Washington is average player but a trier so will give him credit for that I don't think when he plays he makes us any worse as was the case with CheryI played sunday league football today.
Clearly I was the best player on the pitch.
I scored 5 and made 7 last ditch tackles.
We lost 5-0 but the rest of my team were sh it!
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Originally posted by FurtiveFox View PostWashington has looked ok at times. I feel a bit sorry for him. Mostly we have not played to his strengths. Needs to be in a 4-4-2 to allow him space to be effective.
Has struggled and do wonder whether a loan move would help him get some confidence back. If he could start scoring the rest of his game isn't bad.
An easy target due to his lack of goals but I'm open minded.
We do though in my view need two strikers in if he is to join the exodus.I played sunday league football today.
Clearly I was the best player on the pitch.
I scored 5 and made 7 last ditch tackles.
We lost 5-0 but the rest of my team were sh it!
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Originally posted by West London is Rss View PostNasser's are baffling and hard to accept at the best of times.
re the Euros I thought they looked far more dangerous every time CW came off the pitch, but there we go.
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Originally posted by hal9thou View PostHave to disagree there. His arguments are not baffling because he often supports them with data. You may disagree with the way the data is interpreted, but on Washington both the data and the evidence in front of our eyes tells us that the lad needs confidence. He needs a drop in a class. Both Washington and Polter were iffy as purchases but that didn't stop Les getting stuck in. He is responsible for those decisions, then again many of us thought his own appointment was lame.
re the Euros I thought they looked far more dangerous every time CW came off the pitch, but there we go."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by West Acton View PostIn my humble opinion Chery was awful player as his absence from the team has demonstrated so kudos to Ollie for dropping him
He might have scored the odd goal here and there but he totally disabled the team and what he brought to the table did not outweigh the negative impact he had.
Washington is average player but a trier so will give him credit for that I don't think when he plays he makes us any worse as was the case with Chery
Leeds last season, Washington starts, we are losing 1 - 0, gets subbed off for doing nothing, Polter wins a pen and Chery scores to equalise.
General play hasn't improved with him on the pitch much imo and to say that we haven't been worse with him on the pitch unlike with chery, would be ignoring those 2 results above and many other cases where washington not scoring was the difference between a win, a draw and a loss."What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by West Acton View PostPlay may not have improved but have results Nas???"What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane
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Originally posted by nasser95 View PostWhat? I just proved above results improved in the same bl oody match with him being off the pitch.
Would add I get why you refer to Washington scoring 1.5 goals but whether you like it or not the record books and stats until time stops will say he currently has two goals against his name. That is a fact and a stat
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