Play a right winger on the right; two up front at home; bench Kelvin. Simple.

[West London is Rss]

4-4-2's a myth and we don't have the squad for it IMO. I think we should pursue the 4-2-3-1

Smithies
Onuoha Caulker Lynch Bidwell
Borysiuk Luongo
Wszolek Chery Ngbakoto
Sylla

[Shepherds Mush]

4-4-2's a myth and we don't have the squad for it IMO. I think we should pursue the 4-2-3-1

Thought we looked much better at 4-4-2 on Saturday though.

[West London is Rss]

I don't mind changing to 442 in the game if it's not going well, but I don't think we should start games in that formation.

[Shepherds Mush]

I don't mind changing to 442 in the game if it's not going well, but I don't think we should start games in that formation.

Don't think we should start it away at Fulham personally!

[qpr4life]

He was easily our best player.

Luongo too slow as usual, breaking up many attacks of ours. Hall could do with being replaced judging by his form this season and Chery, well, maybe time for someone who creates.

Superb for us once again. Funny how different we see things.

[nasser95]

I don't mind changing to 442 in the game if it's not going well, but I don't think we should start games in that formation.

Agree 110%, start with it and you're extremely open and lacking in the middle, you won't get any say in the momentum of the match and the opposition - who aren't tired - will be able to run at you and create problems. Change to it later in the match and you're putting pressure on a tired side without expending much of your team's energy, since it's just lobbing balls up to the strikers to knock down. Just for the record, this is the sort of tactical fluidity people have been screaming out for from JFH to be able to switch it up mid-game, yet there were complaints about his performance as a manager on Saturday.

Superb for us once again. Funny how different we see things.

I think he really grew into it in the second half for sure, but he seemed to be testing the waters early and dropping deep as he wasn't sure how Ariel would play and what sort of support he'd offer. Once he saw Ariel could hold his own in the defensive position, he started to flourish in a more attacking role, getting into the box at times and almost scoring.

[Shepherds Mush]

Agree 110%, start with it and you're extremely open and lacking in the middle, you won't get any say in the momentum of the match and the opposition - who aren't tired - will be able to run at you and create problems.

A 4-4-2 diamond seemed to work for England in 1966...

[nasser95]

A 4-4-2 diamond seemed to work for England in 1966...

Different times, different style hahaha. For all I know, anything could work, but the logic of it suggests that you take control of the game, make the opponents chase you for 50 or 60 minutes, then when they're tired, push aggressively. Should have scored 4 or more as a result of the change against Birmingham but for some hesitancy in front of goal.

[knocker]

maybe we should see what Bristol City played against Fulham!!!!

[Alanwycombe]

A 4-4-2 diamond seemed to work for England in 1966...

As one who remembers it well, unfortunately, I don't recall it ever being called a diamond at the time although it clearly was. They were too busy calling them 'wingless wonders' as the game was still coming to terms with the transition from 2-3-5! What is still the same from then to now is the need for defenders to defend, midfield players to keep possession, pick a pass and create, and forwards to score. Every one in that team knew their job and could do it. Give them modern kit and today's nutrition and fitness levels and that team would still compete at the top. Only the '96 team came close.

[Alanwycombe]

A 4-4-2 diamond seemed to work for England in 1966...

As one who remembers it well, unfortunately, I don't recall it ever being called a diamond at the time although it clearly was. They were too busy calling them 'wingless wonders' as the game was still coming to terms with the transition from 2-3-5! What is still the same from then to now is the need for defenders to defend, midfield players to keep possession, pick a pass and create, and forwards to score. Every one in that team knew their job and could do it. Give them modern kit and today's nutrition and fitness levels and that team would still compete at the top. Only the '96 team came close.

[Shepherds Mush]

As one who remembers it well, unfortunately, I don't recall it ever being called a diamond at the time although it clearly was. They were too busy calling them 'wingless wonders' as the game was still coming to terms with the transition from 2-3-5! What is still the same from then to now is the need for defenders to defend, midfield players to keep possession, pick a pass and create, and forwards to score. Every one in that team knew their job and could do it. Give them modern kit and today's nutrition and fitness levels and that team would still compete at the top. Only the '96 team came close.

Everyone knowing their job is the key. Thought the '90 team edges the '96 team as the best England sides I've ever seen.

[ArthurQPR_NYC]

First Touch map here showing Ned's positions on taking a first touch.



Pretty much had just over half of his first touches in the opposition half.

facts is facts, im not one to argue that. but I'd be curious how many of those are his position when the rest of the team is in the attacking third and it was passed back to him. im more interested on the RB's positioning when we're building from the back.
or on the counter attack.
lack of speed in moving forward or on the counter is scampering loads of potential opportunities for our boys up top who can score, i reckon

[hal9thou]

A 4-4-2 diamond seemed to work for England in 1966...

not for a side reliant on old school 9s who love byeline service. Much too narrow.

4-2-3-1 is moribund, if you check out the available managers list over half of those without a job have that set up listed as their favourite formation. QED.

[nanocopic]

A 4-4-2 diamond seemed to work for England in 1966...

They also had the world's best Gk, defender and midfielder at the timr which may have helped.