Drossball

[Kevin Mcleod]

ONE person mentioned Madrid and Juventus as boring winners. Can't see how that's anyone comparing us to them.

Oh and I'd have any bet that JFH will get us promoted in the next two or three seasons if the boo boys who don't compare us to Juventus (but actually Barcelona), don't get him sacked by tweeting Unc all day every day if we ain't top every Saturday this season.

[James1979]

ONE person mentioned Madrid and Juventus as boring winners. Can't see how that's anyone comparing us to them.

Oh and I'd have any bet that JFH will get us promoted in the next two or three seasons if the boo boys who don't compare us to Juventus but Barcelona don't get him sacked by tweeting Unc all day every day if we ain't top every Saturday this season.

Disagree, there were trying to compare. Juventus were quality team with quality players who could follow those tactics. We're not comparable. We're a 2nd tier team in England.

I'll take that bet. 50? Null and void if he's sacked this year?

[Kevin Mcleod]

Done.

[nasser95]

People being criticised for mentioning Atletico and Juve and Madrid as teams with similar styles seem to not understand that the comparison is for a style not for quality. You can be an 8th division team in Rwanda and still have a similar style to one of those teams because it's all relative to the league you play in and your opposition.

[upperloft]

People being criticised for mentioning Atletico and Juve and Madrid as teams with similar styles seem to not understand that the comparison is for a style not for quality. You can be an 8th division team in Rwanda and still have a similar style to one of those teams because it's all relative to the league you play in and your opposition.

But Athletico and Juve win leagues and Get to European finals.

[hal9thou]

People being criticised for mentioning Atletico and Juve and Madrid as teams with similar styles seem to not understand that the comparison is for a style not for quality. You can be an 8th division team in Rwanda and still have a similar style to one of those teams because it's all relative to the league you play in and your opposition.

don't you think the reality is that this discussion rubber stamps the point I was making ages ago? About cutting according to cloth?

You have to fit your system around the talent, your set up around the players available. I think JFH has pre conceived ideas on set up which puts the cart before the horse. imo. If you decided to pick a manager to institute a system regardless, a playing style, I think you'd look elsewhere for our club, given our history etc.

the boo boys who don't compare us to Juventus (but actually Barcelona), don't get him sacked by tweeting Unc all day every day if we ain't top every Saturday this season.

Unless its a Hull type scenario managers usually get themselves sacked - one way or another. Means and ends etc.

[Stanley]

I think JFH has pre conceived ideas on set up which puts the cart before the horse. imo.

But by your own admission, he's only 2 or 3 signings away from achieving what you're advocating; and it's not as if he (and the club) are not trying their hardest to buy such players.

[hal9thou]

But by your own admission, he's only 2 or 3 signings away from achieving what you're advocating; and it's not as if he (and the club) are not trying their hardest to buy such players.

Unfortunately this takes us back to the reactionary fiscal policy debate (just posted on the Oz winger scenario). I wanted a creative MF + target. To get quality above what is already here, we're gonna have to spend more than we have during our self imposed austerity regime. No sign of that.

the alternative: set up according to the limitations we have. 4-2-3-1 should not be carved in stone.

[nanocopic]

But Athletico and Juve win leagues and Get to European finals.

Atletico now and Juventus of the 90s had a defensive style and it got them to the top. Atletico were in the second division only 15 years ago now I wouldn't compare quality to them (I never did just tactics). If you struggle to see the style without the quality then look at Burton,tbey had a similar style lots of clean sheets and scoring one goal and they got promoted beyond where they had ever been before. That style works and it is proven it works if it is done well by all the teams mentioned. You just need the one or two skill players to settle the game. Now I don't think we have those yet (Shodipo, JET, Chery, Petrasso, Nasser arent enough I think) but I think JFH is looking for them and this could be a very successful system not requiring massive outlay. It won't be pretty but it may work.

[Stanley]

Unfortunately this takes us back to the reactionary fiscal policy debate (just posted on the Oz winger scenario). I wanted a creative MF + target. To get quality above what is already here, we're gonna have to spend more than we have during our self imposed austerity regime. No sign of that.

'No sign of that' yet. I'd prefer to wait and see who we've signed by the time the window shuts before assuming the wrong conclusion (e.g. Pritchard etc). JFH has made it clear it's not always possible to get all your business done early, even though that is the ideal. I do agree with you though on a sensible balance needing to be struck over transfer budgets.

[Hove Ranger]

I think JFH has pre conceived ideas on set up which puts the cart before the horse. imo.

Dont most managers have a "style of play"? I can think of quite a few that play a certain way at numerous clubs and with different sets of players (no need to list them). Also how can a manager not have pre conceived ideas on setup? unless he has never previously worked in or watched football, surely he will have an opinion on what tactics/styles work better than others.

[hal9thou]

'No sign of that' yet.

Fair point.

Dont most managers have a "style of play"? I can think of quite a few that play a certain way at numerous clubs and with different sets of players (no need to list them). Also how can a manager not have pre conceived ideas on setup? unless he has never previously worked in or watched football, surely he will have an opinion on what tactics/styles work better than others.

You're right, plenty do. But - and its just an opinion - I think you should cut according to the cloth, and show some evidence of flexibility. The thing I admired about Mourinho was his ability to change set up early doors if necessary, and when he did everyone still understood their job. Which is by the by but we are so limited in some departments that I think any arriving guv'nor has to set up according to those limitations.

[Martinmalta]

A lot of unfair criticism is being directed to JFH and Les. In my opinion,, they are doing exactly what a club our size should be doing. We were successful in the past looking into the lower divisions, unlike the spending bonanza we were on during the last four seasons that only managed in us finishing bottom and second from bottom in three years and relegated, apart from the huge pile of debt! Agree, we do need another striker. Polter may be handful but will not score many goals, and CW is still an enigma. He do have a look of an upcoming good striker, however, his lack of goals speaks volumes. I do believe that JFH is trying to put a modern way of playing football. Pressing is one thing we lacked in our previous teams. However, to play a pressing game, you needs young, athletic and energetic players. So the signing of Bidwell, Lynch, Borysuik and Cousins, together with the likes of Gladwin, Lungo and Cherry, gives the team that energy which was missing for so many years. Lets be patient. We may start slowly and improve by time. Football is a funny game.

[Alanwycombe]

I'm not expecting anything different from last season if I'm honest mate.

Me neither. Have never felt so indifferent about the start of a season. Lost count last year of the number of times we said a good day out with mates ruined by the match. Let's hope there is a surprise in the offing. At the moment the only player who gets the fans up singing is BFG - how sad is that?

[nasser95]

Me neither. Have never felt so indifferent about the start of a season. Lost count last year of the number of times we said a good day out with mates ruined by the match. Let's hope there is a surprise in the offing. At the moment the only player who gets the fans up singing is BFG - how sad is that?

I'd say Chery gets fans into it a lot, and hopefully Shodipo this year will just get fans going with his pace alone.