QPR must be patient in search for players – Hasselbaink

[stanistheman]

This is what is so difficult about being Rs. 1/4 bn gets sprayed around the premises and next thing we haven't got enough for a bacon sarnie. Feast or famine, no change there.

JFH is working on a shoe string, maybe because we're being totally reactionary or maybe because the board simply don't trust team les not to blow the wedge all over again. But not finding the middle ground will cost us long term imho.

This.
Sounds like the right player is;
Cheap, young and willing to listen and learn to play JFH's drossball.

[Awin]

Sadly I think some have been spoiled with Austin and to some degree Remy.

Before that who have we had that has been prolific? We haven't had an absolute regular goal scorer since spencer and before him Les.

We had patches of mackie, blackstock, helguson, Bailey, furlong and King kev etc but nothing consistent. We need to unearth and nurture talent to get a regular goal scorer and not race out and flash the cash with no certainty of a return.

[FACTS]

This is what is so difficult about being Rs. 1/4 bn gets sprayed around the premises and next thing we haven't got enough for a bacon sarnie. Feast or famine, no change there.

JFH is working on a shoe string, maybe because we're being totally reactionary or maybe because the board simply don't trust team les not to blow the wedge all over again. But not finding the middle ground will cost us long term imho.

Definitely.

I'm all for building slowly but we're currently receiving parachute payments and could go up with a bit of smart investment. Going for younger lower league players is all good but there's got to be balance. We could've spent an extra 1M, 2M on the Conor Washington fee and bought someone who is almost guaranteed to step up.

[stanistheman]

Cracking post mate. Problem here is no middle ground.
They were getting it right with the signings of austin and philips.
Now it seems to be scraping barrels.

We are 3 players away from having a cracking starting 11.

What we need to be doing is investing in quality now. We should not be ####ing away our great defencive strength with signing cheap slop up front.

True.
Austin was a great signing just that he was given a short contract.
Phillips was also a good signing but clearly lost interest after relegation and possibly the appointment of Ramsey and uncertainty about players leaving.
Unfortunately, Redkrapp went crazy on returning to the premiership and signed a load of players who had just been relegated and a player ready to retire.

Now we are seeing a drastic change of direction and with the season due to start soon it looks like a decent defence is going to be placex under a huge strain because the attack will be unable to score goals or even apply sufficient pressure on the opponents.

[stanistheman]

I'd love to think you're right Shania.I mentioned him a few years ago on this forum when JET was a teenager with Arsenal.I'd love him to do well this coming season.

Unfortunately, JET has shown that although he has decent footballing ability, like Taarabt and others, he is prepared to waste it by not applying himself.

[stanistheman]

To be fair to Les and Jimmy there's not many decent strikers about if you think about it. And if they are decent e.g McCormack, Wells, Assombalonga they cost an absolute fortune. I reckon we will get a loan in as any decent striker is well out of our price range or we can go league 1 again for someone like Lee Geegory.

Like Gregory or the so far lethal, Washington.

[stanistheman]

Id of rather us try to challenge for promotion instead of all this building rubbish,for all this building malarky & trying to find bargains and gems for the future it could also backfire and we wont go up for years again like our last 15 year stint before we went up,there needs to be a balance which should involve a quality signing especially for upfront otherwise we could pay for it in my opinion!

True.
Burnley and Hull went up first attempt because they went for it, rather than the slow rebuilding malarkey.
hull kept much of their squad and added to it, as did Burnley who also eent out and spent big on a goalscorer to replace Ings.

[stanistheman]

Sadly I think some have been spoiled with Austin and to some degree Remy.

Before that who have we had that has been prolific? We haven't had an absolute regular goal scorer since spencer and before him Les.

We had patches of mackie, blackstock, helguson, Bailey, furlong and King kev etc but nothing consistent. We need to unearth and nurture talent to get a regular goal scorer and not race out and flash the cash with no certainty of a return.

False. Furlong was a proven goalscorer.

[nasser95]

So you're saying ONLY cheap slop has been available to date? Don't think so. Our very recent history tells us that playing late in the window can be expensive and futile. I think Hitman's point is that it doesn't have to be dross or over paid, disinterested mercenaries, and much needed balance could be restored by making a signing which partly reflect the ambitions the club aspired to when JFH was appointed. It really is no use appointing someone to get us up - that was the idea - and then giving him a few quid for the meter. There has to be a middle way in the totality of our business dealings, we've lurched from one extreme to the other when the reality is that a more judicious hand on the purse strings would have seen us spend less than 0.25bn for greater reward. IMO, of course.

Cmon mate, even you know that's not really the full picture and you've been stuck with the same image in your head for a while now. Firstly, yes we've signed dross late on, but we've also made some very good signings this late on in the window, a la Austin, Phillips, Chery, Vargas, Smithies and others.

But more with the emboldened section, you should know the situation was that with the squad available initially, JFH was told to get us up but with the option of changing target based on his moves in January. As soon as he decided to get rid of Austin in January, loan out Sandro and Fer, start giving Smithies time instead of committing to a Rob Green contract, the club themselves made it clear that we're going long term and with good reason.

Right now, we're dealing with the mistakes of 4 years, the repercussions are clear and yet despite this, I don't think the club have made a bad move yet this transfer window in terms of the confirmed ins and outs. Those moves were all thought out and we made sure we got the best deal. The same is happening with the strikers, it's just more difficult. Remember as I've said, how we got Austin? Failed a medical at Hull, took a risk, got a club hero. We have to be patient to get the success we want.

[Shania]

We have to make do with a Burnley or say, Leicester model, I think.

[Ginger Ninja]

This.
Sounds like the right player is;
Cheap, young and willing to listen and learn to play JFH's drossball.

Or that's complete bowlarks. Which isn't surprising.

[Ginger Ninja]

Blimey, there's so many inaccuracies with this post.

I think you're being too impatient and generally your posts have a tendency to be quick to find fault. JFH's comments IMO come across as fair and reasoned given our current financial position. You also don't seem to take into account the FFP situation which is, as yet, still unresolved.

All summer we have been linked with strikers and wingers, so it's clear that the club have been targeting and attempting to land some of them. But they also have to be within budget, fit within our wage structure, and crucially they have to WANT to sign for us, which it's quite feasible that they did not.

Furthermore, you are also agreeing with JFH's first paragraph by saying "Our very recent history tells us that playing late in the window can be expensive and futile."

Finally,

It WAS the idea only when he was appointed. Then when we weren't promoted it was no longer the priority - instead it became a long-term rebuilding approach. This has been stated countless times. I'm surprised you haven't grasped that yet.

Top post Stanley.

[Awin]

False. Furlong was a proven goalscorer.

Hehehe so you agree with the rest then

[nanocopic]

It is clear why we arent going for promotion. We would have to spend ridiculous amounts to make a squad better than Newcastle's, Norwich, Brighton, Villa. We dont have that money, we have a small stadium and yes we have parachute payments but we have to plan for when they run out. We arent by nature a premier league club anymore. We havent been since 1995 in my opnion (I know we have had seasons in it since). We went up and tried to become a premier league club by buying loads and loads of players, none of whom turned out to be any good. Look at Mark Lawrenson's prediction of us finishing 8th, even he got sucked in by the names. We have to take our time and that maybe a decade of building and bringing thru players and buying cheaper players and making them better. Bournemouth, Swansea, Southampton, Leicester, Watford, all did this and the later three also had the time out of the premiership where they were out in the wilderness but they came back and it worked. Patience is key, what worked in 2011 and when we stayed up 2012 was we had a core and bought a few players who would settle, not world stars. i am more than happy to be a supporter of a club that is producing players, that is doing good transfer business and a club that is living within its means, I like JFH and Les and I think they only have the clubs best interests at heart and the ethos of finding players that actually want to be here and play for us is exactly what should be happening.

[hal9thou]

Blimey, there's so many inaccuracies with this post.

Maybe we differ viewpoint wise, but inaccuracy?

I have some sympathy with JFH's position. Read my original post. No inaccuracies there either: what you are getting is opinion. Our long term rebuilding approach - instituted when it became abundantly clear that we weren't going anywhere fast with the new regime - should not rubber stamp a reactionary transfer policy: that wont help Jimmy either. There has to be a middle ground if we have any ambition to move forward.

Everyone loves the idea of a long term building policy, especially if it implies stability on the cheap - and right now it's very much on the cheap - but no one here is saying what long term means for them. Long term raises a whole bunch of unanswered questions - for fans, for policy, for the gaffer. It may not bother you that within a matter of weeks we lurched from one aspiration to a very different, undefined one. While people try and work out what our ambitions really are, I'm suggesting a sensible business plan. And that means occasionally saying to Jimmy, you've done OK with SFA, if there is one area where you need to spend a bit more, we'll sanction that business - within reason. The alternative is an acceptance of mid table at best for a good while - and that's fine if everyone (including the powers that be) comes out of the closet and says so. But I'm not hearing that. From anyone.