Chris Hughton

[Stanley]

Calling it nonsensical is rather extreme Stan! The point is - self-evidently - that a new manager needs time. And that Chris Hughton was given that time, despite a terrible run of results and finishing in 20th place last season. The argument you make that Hughton is far more experienced than JFH is moot in this regard. No one has a crystal ball and no one knew for certain whether Hughton would work out, despite his previous success (with far superior squads than the one JFH has).

The only way to find out whether a manager will work out or not is to give them time! This constant speculation about him and other managers seems relatively pointless to me. He hasn't even had a close season to mold his team and bring in his players. He is also hampered by us having to abide far more stringently to the FFP rules.

And while we're on Newcastle, how have they fared with their managerial merry-go-round? Not so well. Hiring and firing is all the rage it seems, but it rarely works as a long-term policy. Many people on here are saying give JFH till October or November or Xmas. I think he should be given the whole season. Rather than cite his relative lack of experience as a problem, why not give him the chance to properly prove himself? I have no doubt Jimmy is extremely ambitious and that he wants to succeed. How great would it be if we had a manager we stayed loyal to, who rewarded us with building a Championship winning team in 2 or 3 years time?

The problem with high expectations is that they are rarely met, leading to constant disappointment. I know patience is in short supply, but at least wait to see what happens in the close season. For me the key thing is that the board stick by JFH. Stability is what is clearly needed, after 4 seasons of turmoil. I'm sure everyone wants JFH to succeed and how great would it be if he did? It's not beyond the bounds of possibility!

It's not a moot argument at all. It's obviously more of a risk appointing someone with comparatively less experience and track record. I'm merely explaining the reasons (to play devil's advocate) why there's more concerns than there would've been with someone like Hughton. (However QPRHoop does make some fair counter-points in post #14). As I say, I'm in no way anti-JFH and, like you, believe it requires patience and backing.

[nasser95]

A few moaners yes (as there always are no matter what the circs), but a lot less given Hughton's successful track record and experience. That's the reason more are voicing concerns now because of that difference (not saying I'm in that camp yet myself).

Stanley mate, I always enjoy discussion with you, but I think you're putting far too much hope in the ability of some fans here to be patient.

[FurtiveFox]

Interesting thing with Brighton is they have spent relatively little, recruited cleverly and in particular from abroad using presumably a very good scouting network. Hughton is known for being a good man manager and has built a team of non superstars (so no real egos) and created a well balanced side. Had he come into the mess here I doubt he would have had the same success what with all our 'big name' players and their associated egos. Newcastle was a proper big team whereas most of our 'big name' players were here mainly if not solely for the money so different there.

Come the summer most of our bigger name players will move on, some simply through contracts ending and others hopefully transferred out. JFH will need to use his knowledge and contacts (along with input from Les and scouts) to build a side and I'd love it if we did it in the same manner Brighton have. For me then the test form JFH is the first half of next season.

[maidstone_hoop]

As others have said I think we need to judge him next season. Let him get a full pre season under his belt and bring in more players hopefully of the same ability of hall and smithies.

The bloke has already said he wants to build a predominantly british team with more players ages 23-26 as his core signings. That's music to my ears personally and the way forward. If we recruit sensibly in the summer I think we could really push on next season. We have been pretty average this year and drawn far to many games and if we can just turn a few of those draws into wins we will shoot up the table.

I think JFH is saying all the right things and has shown some signs of installing his new ideas but he needs a bit longer and a full transfer window. I am quietly confident he could really make his mark with QPR.

[James1979]

Calling it nonsensical is rather extreme Stan! The point is - self-evidently - that a new manager needs time. And that Chris Hughton was given that time, despite a terrible run of results and finishing in 20th place last season. The argument you make that Hughton is far more experienced than JFH is moot in this regard. No one has a crystal ball and no one knew for certain whether Hughton would work out, despite his previous success (with far superior squads than the one JFH has).

The only way to find out whether a manager will work out or not is to give them time! This constant speculation about him and other managers seems relatively pointless to me. He hasn't even had a close season to mold his team and bring in his players. He is also hampered by us having to abide far more stringently to the FFP rules.

And while we're on Newcastle, how have they fared with their managerial merry-go-round? Not so well. Hiring and firing is all the rage it seems, but it rarely works as a long-term policy. Many people on here are saying give JFH till October or November or Xmas. I think he should be given the whole season. Rather than cite his relative lack of experience as a problem, why not give him the chance to properly prove himself? I have no doubt Jimmy is extremely ambitious and that he wants to succeed. How great would it be if we had a manager we stayed loyal to, who rewarded us with building a Championship winning team in 2 or 3 years time?

The problem with high expectations is that they are rarely met, leading to constant disappointment. I know patience is in short supply, but at least wait to see what happens in the close season. For me the key thing is that the board stick by JFH. Stability is what is clearly needed, after 4 seasons of turmoil. I'm sure everyone wants JFH to succeed and how great would it be if he did? It's not beyond the bounds of possibility!

If someone has previous experience of successfully managing a top 2 division football club then it is less risky to give them a job at a top 2 division football club. I agree that you should give managers time but there is no comparison between the 2 managers here. One is experienced and one is not. We are taking a punt.

[QPRHoop]

If someone has previous experience of successfully managing a top 2 division football club then it is less risky to give them a job at a top 2 division football club. I agree that you should give managers time but there is no comparison between the 2 managers here. One is experienced and one is not. We are taking a punt.

As I said in an earlier post Boro took a punt on Karanka and that's working out well after their previous experienced managers didn't.

[Shepherds Mush]

If someone has previous experience of successfully managing a top 2 division football club then it is less risky to give them a job at a top 2 division football club.

Bet Millwall thought that with Holloway

[ArthurQPR_NYC]

If someone has previous experience of successfully managing a top 2 division football club then it is less risky to give them a job at a top 2 division football club. I agree that you should give managers time but there is no comparison between the 2 managers here. One is experienced and one is not. We are taking a punt.

fair enough, but context would be good. back in Nov 2015 the QPR job looked like one of the most poisoned chalice jobs in the country! no one remembers how quickly candidates were angling to get in front of a news camera to firmly distance themselves with the job!? rowett, warburton, Kenny jackett, lambert,...

[West Acton]

Houghton was suggested by a few of us when the debate was had before Ramsey got the job and we were scoffed at as apparently he was s hit and Clement was the future

[Olly]

I'm not sure any team can get rid of 10+? players preseason, bring in new, and then expect promotion, season after more likely.

Has anyone ever known it, and if it's happened, how rare is it?

[hal9thou]

Houghton was suggested by a few of us when the debate was had before Ramsey got the job and we were scoffed at as apparently he was s hit and Clement was the future

I think Paul Clement has a very decent future as a manager. No idea where, but don't be surprised to see him do well. At the time I said I would have taken him over Ramsey (and JFH) and I stand by those comments. Mourinho among others is on record as rating his coaching ability highly, and PC is one of ours when it comes to the badge.

Whether he would come here kind of depends on the amount of control he would be given, as is going to be the case with any serious candidate.

[James1979]

fair enough, but context would be good. back in Nov 2015 the QPR job looked like one of the most poisoned chalice jobs in the country! no one remembers how quickly candidates were angling to get in front of a news camera to firmly distance themselves with the job!? rowett, warburton, Kenny jackett, lambert,...

Personally I think a lot of experienced and good managers would want to manage us. London team with money, perfect for most I think.

[Awin]

Personally I think a lot of experienced and good managers would want to manage us. London team with money, perfect for most I think.

FFP has Banished the idea of us having money.

[West Acton]

I think Paul Clement has a very decent future as a manager. No idea where, but don't be surprised to see him do well. At the time I said I would have taken him over Ramsey (and JFH) and I stand by those comments. Mourinho among others is on record as rating his coaching ability highly, and PC is one of ours when it comes to the badge.

Whether he would come here kind of depends on the amount of control he would be given, as is going to be the case with any serious candidate.

Clement is an awful manager and everything Ramsey got tarred with applies to him the only tick he has is he's worked with world class players which don't mean a lot when you managing Derby or such likes. He's a coach and will end up as a number two rest of his career he's no manager

[Shepherds Mush]

Whether he would come here kind of depends on the amount of control he would be given, as is going to be the case with any serious candidate.

Another dig at us having a DoF. You do realise that Leicester City have a DoF?