5 years from now under JFH & NW?

[Ramsey is god]

Sort of feel for '77 here, kind of agree with what he is saying.....

but anyway, back to the question. Sad truth is i cant see a manager (whether warnock, JFH or any other) being in charge for 5 years. Just not how football works these-days and with the size of club we are, along with position, anyone who works wonders will move on, anyone who doesn't progress enough will be sacked. No dig at TF or the club at all, is just the way football is nowadays.

i dont think we had the quality of player in the club this season to reach play offs (im talking post Fer,Austin and others), so didnt matter if NW stayed on, i cant see we would have got there. Based on my opinion of that, JFH was the better option as he is certainly a more long term appointment.

Fair play to NW for his job at Rotherham, but couldn't really care less in all honesty.

Everyone can see JFH work is starting to pay off and long may it continue. Feel with a couple of shrewd signings in the summer, we could challenge for a play off spot.

[qprted]

SKRANGER I think warnock is a class act in any division

the reason why he blew out in the prem the last time was that eccleston and briatore were still in charge of the club when we got promoted,and they refused to release any funds to buy players
so warnock was fielding a team full of championship players against prem teams,slowly his team were getting the stuffing knocked out of them again and again
and when the money was due to come into the club which was of course tony fernandes,he made a terrible mistake by sacking warnock
if neil had been given the funds we could have seen the foundations of a new qpr

[nasser95]

SKRANGER I think warnock is a class act in any division

the reason why he blew out in the prem the last time was that eccleston and briatore were still in charge of the club when we got promoted,and they refused to release any funds to buy players
so warnock was fielding a team full of championship players against prem teams,slowly his team were getting the stuffing knocked out of them again and again
and when the money was due to come into the club which was of course tony fernandes,he made a terrible mistake by sacking warnock
if neil had been given the funds we could have seen the foundations of a new qpr

The money came in the summer and he spent it on Traore, Anton Ferdinand, Luke Young, Barton and SWP. Given funds, given wages, didn't get it right at that level unfortunately and he's never really had a great transfer success rate.

[Stanley]

The money came in the summer and he spent it on Traore, Anton Ferdinand, Luke Young, Barton and SWP. Given funds, given wages, didn't get it right at that level unfortunately and he's never really had a great transfer success rate.

Actually that's not quite correct. It's revisionist and thus an unfair judgement.

The funds arrived VERY late once the season had already started. NW had to wait until the takeover had completed and as a result those buys you mention were all more or less 11th hour ones and FAR from his first choices. Had he had the whole summer to assemble a squad it would have been very different; there were players who wanted to join but couldn't due to no funds.

[Shepherds Mush]

I think warnock is a class act in any division

How did he do in the PL with Palace AND Sheffield United?

PL is a step too far for Warnock IMO.

[Stanley]

How did he do in the PL with Palace AND Sheffield United?

PL is a step too far for Warnock IMO.

Perhaps so, but was he given a decent amount of funds to be competitive though?

Sheff Utd got shafted by the PL too didn't they?

[Ramsey is god]

Perhaps so, but was he given a decent amount of funds to be competitive though?

Sheff Utd got shafted by the PL too didn't they?

not in my eyes. They still bang on about the whole Tevez / Mashcerano sago, but in reality they didnt get enough points to stay up, so tough titties.

will never know now and sure it would have been close, but still think Warnock would have kept us up for at least the first season if he had of been allowed to finish it.

[qprted]

i see no reason why warnock couldnt be general manager and jimmyfloyde and his assistant are team manager and head coach because neil could unload all his experience onto jimmy floyde and create a super manager like eddie howe of bournmouth

[Shepherds Mush]

Perhaps so, but was he given a decent amount of funds to be competitive though?

Sheff Utd got shafted by the PL too didn't they?

He spent the same as Pardew did and Pardew saved them from relegation.

[qprted]

shepards mush why is so much hate directed at warnock why do you hate him so much

[maidstone_hoop]

The neil warnock bashing is ridiculous imo.

The bloke is proven at this level and I 1--% believe he would of got us much closer to the playoffs than we are now and to be honest I think we would of made them under Warnock. Fantastic manager and I still 1--% believe my sources that he wanted the job at QPR and it's backed up by the fact he went elsewhere in this league a couple of months later.

However I firmly at the time of the JFH appointment over Neil didn't understand it or agree with it at all. I though the club had lost their mind especially with the improvements Neil had managed to implement so quickly under his tenure. Then we went on about a 8 game winless run and I was even more bitter about taking as punt on JFH. BUT i genuinely feel the club made the right call for QPR in the end and JFH has stuck to his principals and from what I can see is implementing many good things for QPR that will have a long term lasting effect.

We needed JFH more than Warnock imo. Warnock would of done a decent job and possibly even lead us to the premier league again but we just don't need that right now. QPR need to get their house in order and build the proper foundations so we can really compete. Warnock is a class act and he wanted the job and at the time I wanted him to have it but I am so happy we have JFH now as I can see us actually progressing and building something to be proud of again.

[Shepherds Mush]

shepards mush why is so much hate directed at warnock why do you hate him so much

I don't hate Warnock at all. He's doing a great job at Rotherham and good luck to him.

At no point have I said I hate him. I am merely pointing out that at the higher level, Warnock has not been as successful as people believe.

Championship manager and a very good one, but that is his level.

[nasser95]

The neil warnock bashing is ridiculous imo.

The bloke is proven at this level and I 1--% believe he would of got us much closer to the playoffs than we are now and to be honest I think we would of made them under Warnock. Fantastic manager and I still 1--% believe my sources that he wanted the job at QPR and it's backed up by the fact he went elsewhere in this league a couple of months later.

However I firmly at the time of the JFH appointment over Neil didn't understand it or agree with it at all. I though the club had lost their mind especially with the improvements Neil had managed to implement so quickly under his tenure. Then we went on about a 8 game winless run and I was even more bitter about taking as punt on JFH. BUT i genuinely feel the club made the right call for QPR in the end and JFH has stuck to his principals and from what I can see is implementing many good things for QPR that will have a long term lasting effect.

We needed JFH more than Warnock imo. Warnock would of done a decent job and possibly even lead us to the premier league again but we just don't need that right now. QPR need to get their house in order and build the proper foundations so we can really compete. Warnock is a class act and he wanted the job and at the time I wanted him to have it but I am so happy we have JFH now as I can see us actually progressing and building something to be proud of again.

You definitely are misunderstanding the Warnock discussion if you call it bashing. I firmly agree with almost everything you've said here. The issues myself and many others have stated is not that he is a bad manager for this level, in fact, he's probably the best manager this level has ever had. The issue is that at the level above, he has really not shown anything to suggest he'd be successful.

[nasser95]

Actually that's not quite correct. It's revisionist and thus an unfair judgement.

The funds arrived VERY late once the season had already started. NW had to wait until the takeover had completed and as a result those buys you mention were all more or less 11th hour ones and FAR from his first choices. Had he had the whole summer to assemble a squad it would have been very different; there were players who wanted to join but couldn't due to no funds.

You seem to believe that he had to make those signings. he sanctioned the sale of Kaspars Gorkks under TF (and don't think that TF forced that sale, that was NW's decision), to bring in Anton Ferdinand, then effectively refused to play Connolly, giving him only 5 games in that half season. He barely played Tommy Smith despite his value to us after the promotion season, and managed to loan out Clint Hill. He was the architect of his own downfall unfortunately.

[Stanley]

You seem to believe that he had to make those signings. he sanctioned the sale of Kaspars Gorkks under TF (and don't think that TF forced that sale, that was NW's decision), to bring in Anton Ferdinand, then effectively refused to play Connolly, giving him only 5 games in that half season. He barely played Tommy Smith despite his value to us after the promotion season, and managed to loan out Clint Hill. He was the architect of his own downfall unfortunately.

His record for us in the PL wasn't actually that bad considering how hamstrung he'd been throughout the summer window. We were always well clear of the relegation zone and look how many away games we won or drew. Only when Hughes took over did it all go dramatically downhill.