Polter v Rhodes

[Shepherds Mush]

Plenty of toot players have scored 20+ goals in the Championship over the years, no reason why Polter can't given the service.

[qpr4life]

Looking at how the top goal scorers in recent years, it would mean that if Polter hit 20+ he would in-fact be / most probably be the top scorer of the league... the following shows that on average 25 goals of recent years is enough to be the top scorer of the league. Andre Gray is on 22 currently and on target for 27-30 plus haul. The only thing here that makes me feel he could hit 25 goals is based on the fact that some players in this list are not prolific anymore or had a good season that year...

I think he can do 12-15 goals and, maybe, he might hit 16 / 17 but I cant imagine him tonking 20+. I think either Conor will begin to score and get more game time or expect to see us go for player with the potential ability to hit 20 this year e.g. Nakhi Wells.

2004–05 Nathan Ellington Wigan Athletic 24
2005–06 Marlon King Watford 21
2006–07 Jamie Cureton Colchester United 23
2007–08 Sylvan Ebanks-Blake Plymouth Argyle / Wolverhampton 23
2008–09 Sylvan Ebanks-Blake Wolverhampton Wanderers 25
2009–10 Peter Whittingham Cardiff City 20
Nicky Maynard Bristol City
2010–11 Danny Graham Watford 24
2011–12 Rickie Lambert Southampton 27
2012–13 Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 30
2013–14 Ross McCormack Leeds United 28
2014–15 Daryl Murphy Ipswich Town 27

[nasser95]

Looking at how the top goal scorers in recent years, it would mean that if Polter hit 20+ he would in-fact be / most probably be the top scorer of the league... the following shows that on average 25 goals of recent years is enough to be the top scorer of the league. Andre Gray is on 22 currently and on target for 27-30 plus haul. The only thing here that makes me feel he could hit 25 goals is based on the fact that some players in this list are not prolific anymore or had a good season that year...

I think he can do 12-15 goals and, maybe, he might hit 16 / 17 but I cant imagine him tonking 20+. I think either Conor will begin to score and get more game time or expect to see us go for player with the potential ability to hit 20 this year e.g. Nakhi Wells.

2004–05 Nathan Ellington Wigan Athletic 24 90.4%
2005–06 Marlon King Watford 21 84.7%
2006–07 Jamie Cureton Colchester United 23 90.7%
2007–08 Sylvan Ebanks-Blake Plymouth Argyle / Wolverhampton 23 95.8%
2008–09 Sylvan Ebanks-Blake Wolverhampton Wanderers 25 79.9%
2009–10 Peter Whittingham Cardiff City 20 84.3%
Nicky Maynard Bristol City 84.0%
2010–11 Danny Graham Watford 24 94.2%
2011–12 Rickie Lambert Southampton 27 87.8%
2012–13 Glenn Murray Crystal Palace 30 89.9%
2013–14 Ross McCormack Leeds United 28 99.7%
2014–15 Daryl Murphy Ipswich Town 27 93.6%

I think this may seem like an obvious point, but if we're look at these players, an addition of the fact that they played a crazy amount of games in those season always helps with keeping form, keeping fit etc. I've added to each player a percentage of the minutes played in those seasons out of the possible 4140 minutes in the league season and you can see that they have a lot to thank their fitness coaches for their success. What's more, the proportion of minutes played seems to have gone up in recent years. Compare that again to Polter who of our 3420 minutes played so far has only managed 1238 minutes, meaning a 36.2% involvement time which even if he plays every remaining minute of the league season so far can only reach 47.3%. He's not gonna be able to achieve too much more and on his current form, he's likely to get around 4 or 5 more goals assuming he plays about 85% of the remaining minutes which is not bad for what is in effect less than half a season of football in your first year in a new country.

If he keeps improving as rapidly as he has done so far, I firmly expect him to have a 20+ goal season for us assuming he is first choice. If Nicky Maynard can do it, so can our BFG

[West London is Rss]

I think its a dangerous bet to bet against Polter notching 20 odd goals in the coming Championship seasons.
I think he is a fox in box type striker, who can develop into being in places at the right time like Charlie did.

What he also has on his side is that he is working with one of the best Premier league strikers there has been in JFH.

I have full faith in him personally to become our new hero.

[qpr4life]

I think its a dangerous bet to bet against Polter notching 20 odd goals in the coming Championship seasons.
I think he is a fox in box type striker, who can develop into being in places at the right time like Charlie did.

What he also has on his side is that he is working with one of the best Premier league strikers there has been in JFH.

I have full faith in him personally to become our new hero.

Charlie was already a ruddy good striker and although we can take some credit for his development we can take all the credit.

I agree with you though, it is a risk to say he wont but I am just currently not sold on the fact that he will hit 20+ IMO but will get 12-15.

Its quite likely that QPR / JFH & Les, will buy another striker for competition and also because we are bit 'thin on the ground' in that department. (Expecting JET to leave...) This means that there is a very good chance that he wont be playing every week, especially if one of the other 2/3 striking options are smashing it. Therefore I don't think he will go on a 5-6 game scoring streak which is why I think he will hit around 15 goals tops. Playing weekly is key for any striker especially him...

[West London is Rss]

Charlie was already a ruddy good striker and although we can take some credit for his development we can take all the credit.

I agree with you though, it is a risk to say he wont but I am just currently not sold on the fact that he will hit 20+ IMO but will get 12-15.

Its quite likely that QPR / JFH & Les, will buy another striker for competition and also because we are bit 'thin on the ground' in that department. (Expecting JET to leave...) This means that there is a very good chance that he wont be playing every week, especially if one of the other 2/3 striking options are smashing it. Therefore I don't think he will go on a 5-6 game scoring streak which is why I think he will hit around 15 goals tops. Playing weekly is key for any striker especially him...

A lot of ifs and buts in there mate.
20 goals is only 5 goals more than the top end of your prediction remember. If he gets to 15, then there is no reason why he can't smash 20 - In fact I'd say if he reaches 15, he will smash 20!

It's OK getting another striker in but he is going to need to be better than Polter for Polter not to start every week now, and he already has a head start with this season under his belt. He's currently keeping Washington out the team... There's more chance of Polter smashing it every week at this stage then any other potential striker coming in on the cheap and having to get used to his surroundings.

Polter has come on so drastically since JFH has come in, only a few months ago, that it'd be made to bet against him!

[qpr4life]

A lot of ifs and buts in there mate.
20 goals is only 5 goals more than the top end of your prediction remember. If he gets to 15, then there is no reason why he can't smash 20 - In fact I'd say if he reaches 15, he will smash 20!

It's OK getting another striker in but he is going to need to be better than Polter for Polter not to start every week now, and he already has a head start with this season under his belt. He's currently keeping Washington out the team... There's more chance of Polter smashing it every week at this stage then any other potential striker coming in on the cheap and having to get used to his surroundings.

Polter has come on so drastically since JFH has come in, only a few months ago, that it'd be made to bet against him!

Charlie who clearly wanted 'away' also kept Polter out the team to begin with just like Polter is now rightly keeping Conor out, but I get what you're saying.

To again clarify, I think he will hit between 12-15 and, sure he may even hit 16 / 17 which isnt too far off. BUT he wont hit 20+, lets not be silly here and say 20 exact is the same. If he is going to hit 20+ then its going to be 23 onwards surely?

[West London is Rss]

Charlie who clearly wanted 'away' also kept Polter out the team to begin with just like Polter is now rightly keeping Conor out, but I get what you're saying.

To again clarify, I think he will hit between 12-15 and, sure he may even hit 16 / 17 which isnt too far off. BUT he wont hit 20+, lets not be silly here and say 20 exact is the same. If he is going to hit 20+ then its going to be 23 onwards surely?

Well yeah, of course he did? haha - It's Charlie Austin... The same Charlie Austin who'd been settled with us for 3 years, scoring 20 goals plus each season. He was always going to keep a new young striker out the team, who had just moved to a foreign country, needing time to settle.

Not getting silly haha - 20 is only five more than 15... You're potentially talking another couple of goals in two matches to notch it up to 20. It's very much possible - We're talking about a few more goals here, which is easily done in the space of as little as two matches!

You've slightly confused me with the if he hits 20+ it will be 23 onwards bit, because 20+ means 20 goals and over no? but hey ho.

My bottom line is - If he can hit 15 goals with games to go next season, then there is no reason why he can't hit 20 in the same season as it's only five more goals.

[qpr4life]

Well yeah, of course he did? haha - It's Charlie Austin... The same Charlie Austin who'd been settled with us for 3 years, scoring 20 goals plus each season. He was always going to keep a new young striker out the team, who had just moved to a foreign country, needing time to settle.

Not getting silly haha - 20 is only five more than 15... You're potentially talking another couple of goals in two matches to notch it up to 20. It's very much possible - We're talking about a few more goals here, which is easily done in the space of as little as two matches!

You've slightly confused me with the if he hits 20+ it will be 23 onwards bit, because 20+ means 20 goals and over no? but hey ho.

My bottom line is - If he can hit 15 goals with games to go next season, then there is no reason why he can't hit 20 in the same season as it's only five more goals.

Crikey. Let's get back on track...

I stand by it, he will hit between 12-15 and not 20+.

As for the Charlie Austin comment, Austin is only 2 years older than Polter... not sure where we are getting these ages from We are ;-) Ultimately if Polter was good enough he should have been playing with Chaz.

[Hubble]

Plenty of toot players have scored 20+ goals in the Championship over the years, no reason why Polter can't given the service.

So that's how they did it!!

[West London is Rss]

Crikey. Let's get back on track...

I stand by it, he will hit between 12-15 and not 20+.

As for the Charlie Austin comment, Austin is only 2 years older than Polter... not sure where we are getting these ages from We are ;-) Ultimately if Polter was good enough he should have been playing with Chaz.

Fine lines you live by I see.

Do you not see though that Polter is developing and isn't the type of player to come in, hit the ground running and straight away joing Charlie Austin up front - As I've also said, his first time in a new country having to adapt etc. it was always going to take him some time.

Another thing to consider would be the formation we play with 1 up top. Polter or any striker we could of signed could of been 'good enough' but if we're deciding to play 1 up top, you have to choose between the strikers as to who is going to get the main role - Ultimately no-one was ever going to compete with Charlie.

You can't expect every player we sign to come in and hit the ground running, which is the main thing fans need to understand.

[qpr4life]

Fine lines you live by I see.

Do you not see though that Polter is developing and isn't the type of player to come in, hit the ground running and straight away joing Charlie Austin up front - As I've also said, his first time in a new country having to adapt etc. it was always going to take him some time.

Another thing to consider would be the formation we play with 1 up top. Polter or any striker we could of signed could of been 'good enough' but if we're deciding to play 1 up top, you have to choose between the strikers as to who is going to get the main role - Ultimately no-one was ever going to compete with Charlie.

You can't expect every player we sign to come in and hit the ground running, which is the main thing fans need to understand.

You're implying strongly that I dont rate Polter which is exactly the opposite of my posts and thoughts! The guy is great for us, I rate him highly but I think he has his limits in my so called 'football opinion' haha. I'm no coach, manager or scout but how I see it is that Polter will achieve 12-15 goals next season but be a huge part in our way up the table.

He offers more than just goals is what I feel, but I think he has his limits but could easily become a slightly better player over time. Hitting 20+ goals IMHO is not the players I see him being.

[Shepherds Mush]

It depends on the service the front man gets. If we have a team that attacks and gets a lot of balls into the box, Polter OR Washington will easily get 20+ next season IMO.

[qpr4life]

It depends on the service the front man gets. If we have a team that attacks and gets a lot of balls into the box, Polter OR Washington will easily get 20+ next season IMO.

This is a good point to make, although I dont think it defines a striker.

Of course better service should enhance a strikers chances of scoring, but Austin scored goals for fun when fit regardless of how the service was. It's a technique you either have or dont IMO.

Washington needs the ball in feet, or something to chase onto over a back line. Not a 100 yard ball which he is required to bring down and play others in.. Polter on the other hand can do this but for me is unlikely to make too many runs off the ball like Conor might.

[West London is Rss]

You're implying strongly that I dont rate Polter which is exactly the opposite of my posts and thoughts! The guy is great for us, I rate him highly but I think he has his limits in my so called 'football opinion' haha. I'm no coach, manager or scout but how I see it is that Polter will achieve 12-15 goals next season but be a huge part in our way up the table.

He offers more than just goals is what I feel, but I think he has his limits but could easily become a slightly better player over time. Hitting 20+ goals IMHO is not the players I see him being.

OK - Was just hard to see you rate him from what you were saying.
I don't think any striker has limits personally - I think any striker can get to any target with hard work and learning.
Polter has the base for a v decent striker, which is why I put faith in him to hit 20 goals in the next season or so - If he stays fit.