Changing your views about JFH

[Macca]

See how JFH goes over the last few games of the season and the summer break and probably the first ten games of next season would be a good length of time to get things going forward for next season, and judge him then, don't expect giant strides by then but as long as we are going in the right direction.

[West London is Rss]

I like the fact we've taken a risk on a young unproven manager and not a just a name from previous employers i.e. Redknapp, Hughes. thinking they are too good for QPR, only caring about the present. I think Pearson would of been another appointment like these two, which is why I never wanted him.

[hal9thou]

I agree with all of this. It has been a challenge for moderators to deal with it, as it does need to be balanced up with the free-speech argument. However we're all well aware and doing our best to stay on top of it by placing persistent offenders or the obvious trolls under pre-moderation, whereby their posts are cleared by one of us before being allowed through to the forum. The last thing we want is for long-standing decent posters to feel driven away by a small group of people intent on sabotaging and stifling reasoned debate. The whole 'happy-clapper/realist' terminology is a straw man and therefore doesn't apply because they are totally inaccurate descriptions.

Hmmm, I think unless trolling can be proven free-speech should be a given. If this were really the case it would make your job far easier ie just let everyone get on with it (bearing in mind the legal disclaimer published on every page ;)). However, all of us on here are per se agreeing to editorial sanction/control which kind of renders debate about free speech a bit of a non starter...

I also think it can be demonstrated that realism has its place in the world, even though a degree of subjectivity is inevitable ;)

Re the OP. Like I said recently, we appear to have a degree of stability. But like I also said, it is highly likely that had Ramsey's regime been regarded with the same tolerance (ie had he been given time), we would still be pretty much where we are now. If you accept this, you could legitimately question Ramsey's sacking. If you don't, you could question JFH's progress using the same logic, since comparatively JFH has performed slightly less well (over the same number of games CR managed at this level).

I wouldn't have appointed either (or Les for reasons previously given). But given the chaos which proceeded the current regime, stability is just fine for now.

[Awin]

Hmmm, I think unless trolling can be proven free-speech should be a given. If this were really the case it would make your job far easier ie just let everyone get on with it (bearing in mind the legal disclaimer published on every page ;)). However, all of us on here are per se agreeing to editorial sanction/control which kind of renders debate about free speech a bit of a non starter...

I also think it can be demonstrated that realism has its place in the world, even though a degree of subjectivity is inevitable ;)

Re the OP. Like I said recently, we appear to have a degree of stability. But like I also said, it is highly likely that had Ramsey's regime been regarded with the same tolerance (ie had he been given time), we would still be pretty much where we are now. If you accept this, you could legitimately question Ramsey's sacking. If you don't, you could question JFH's progress using the same logic, since comparatively JFH has performed slightly less well (over the same number of games CR managed at this level).

I wouldn't have appointed either (or Les for reasons previously given). But given the chaos which proceeded the current regime, stability is just fine for now.

In large part I would agree regards Ramsay and JFH but what I think would be of interest in comparing the two is the comparative wage bills under them.

JFH has slashed the wage bill, got rid of the primadonas and has started building a team from an almost water tight defence up to the forward line.

I will admit I have been pro JFH from the moment it was suggested that he might be appointed and so might be biased but I think he has started the process of building a stable team once again.

[Stanley]

Hmmm, I think unless trolling can be proven free-speech should be a given.....all of us on here are per se agreeing to editorial sanction/control which kind of renders debate about free speech a bit of a non starter...

Have a read of this Hal: http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/...rnet-troll.htm

To define trolling is not always black and white, as I'm sure you know.

We have 10 moderators on WATRB. If we decide to deal with trolling on here we always discuss it between us first before reaching a consensus. One of our several definitions is when the behaviour is persistent and over a prolonged period. We have rules in place which do not permit that. Because accurately defining trolling can often be subjective the only possible way to achieve this is to reach a consensus amongst the moderators. What you need to realise and accept is the alternative of ignoring the problem and doing nothing to tackle it is absolutely NOT an option for reasons previously given, and for what should already be obvious and basic common sense.

The hope would also be that, over time, a degree of trust would be built up between long-standing posters and moderators with shared interests/goals (i.e. no-one likes a troll) - never forgetting that moderators are also R's fans and ordinary posters just like everyone else. Just as importantly, don't forget that trolls are as much of a PITA for the members here as they are for the moderators, so it really is (and can continue to be) something all of us can tackle together.

[Tarbie]

I've gotta admit that I was starting to panic a bit after 10 games but Jimmy seems to be setting into things. It seems he has just been taking his time to implement his ethos and style of play. It's also clear he didn't want to make sweeping changes overnight, instead stick with the guys that were playing and slowly make changes over time.

I'm a little surprised by how conservative his style of football is. He's a dutchman and he played as a goal scoring centre forward. Both things that would normally lend themselves to expansive, attacking football but it's clear he prefers to keep things tight and win games 1-0.

I'm hopeful that with a few being shown the door in the summer and Jimmy given a few quid to bring in his own players we may be able to challenge the top 6 next season.

[Alanwycombe]

I think the reason nobody is posting is because nothing else is going to happen this season. We're not going up or down. JFK is trying out players to decide who he is going to keep for next season. Yesterday's game was of no significance. Preston is not a team we really care about one way or another.

And there I was wasting my life and money going to watch it.........

[Tarbie]

And there I was wasting my life and money going to watch it.........

I don't agree with what was posted anyway.

Preston on Saturday wasn't a performance of not caring and trying things out. Everyone out there and the manager wanted to win. If we'd been a bit more clinical and/or had been a bit luckier in terms of decision we would have won handsomely too. I think the notion of us coasting towards the end of the season knowing we'll be mid-table is boll*cks, I think everyone wants to win, I think if we'd held on at Preston Jimmy would have had ideas about top 6 and I also think there are a load of guys playing for their futures!

[West London is Rss]

Just shows that you have to give a manager TIME!! And especially a young one, to implement his ideas... And again, especially when the squad is one inherited from a previous manager.

[Alanwycombe]

I don't agree with what was posted anyway.

Preston on Saturday wasn't a performance of not caring and trying things out. Everyone out there and the manager wanted to win. If we'd been a bit more clinical and/or had been a bit luckier in terms of decision we would have won handsomely too. I think the notion of us coasting towards the end of the season knowing we'll be mid-table is boll*cks, I think everyone wants to win, I think if we'd held on at Preston Jimmy would have had ideas about top 6 and I also think there are a load of guys playing for their futures!

Hallelujah Tarbie....I was thinking it was just me mate. I agree with you totally. It's gone now though.

[Ginger Ninja]

Just shows that you have to give a manager TIME!! And especially a young one, to implement his ideas... And again, especially when the squad is one inherited from a previous manager.

[Bluehoop]

I don't agree with what was posted anyway.

Preston on Saturday wasn't a performance of not caring and trying things out. Everyone out there and the manager wanted to win. If we'd been a bit more clinical and/or had been a bit luckier in terms of decision we would have won handsomely too. I think the notion of us coasting towards the end of the season knowing we'll be mid-table is boll*cks, I think everyone wants to win, I think if we'd held on at Preston Jimmy would have had ideas about top 6 and I also think there are a load of guys playing for their futures!

If Chery puts that one on one away we come home delighted. As it was I think most of us traveled home happy with the effort and commitment for a mid table fixture and had a top day out

[TBLOCKRANGER]

I was always happy with his appointment plus that of Sir Les.
Still reckon we are fragile and it's a poor championship which has been kind to our league position.
When we do poor TF becomes public enemy number 1, Sir Les is ridiculed and ST holders show their loyalty by refusing to renew as its the most embarrassing situation everrrr in the clubs illustrious history.
We draw and win a couple and ST hysteria is silenced and we are heading for playoffs and any slight hiccup like Preston has derailed our great march to wembleeeee.
Aren't we in the middle. This team as I said not completely inept and look OK but is still fragile and needs moulding and a bit of steel. Need a couple of hard players one in central midfield and a centre back that week in and week out can consistently have a presence. Once the base is in place we can build ...my view with the years of decay that JFH and LF were left with both are doing well. Me £50 deposit will be on its way to pay for one boot or a days supply of still water.

[Shepherds Mush]

This team as I said not completely inept and look OK but is still fragile and needs moulding and a bit of steel. Need a couple of hard players one in central midfield and a centre back that week in and week out can consistently have a presence. Once the base is in place we can build ...

We've let in 7 goals in 12 games and 3 of those were against Fulham. Also kept 7 clean sheets in that time.

I'd say that is evidence of a solid defensive base.

[nasser95]

We've let in 7 goals in 12 games and 3 of those were against Fulham. Also kept 7 clean sheets in that time.

I'd say that is evidence of a solid defensive base.

Consider even more that this was done in spite of having Konch in the team for quite a period of that time, it makes the record even more impressive. I don't think we need any defensive additions numerically. If Hill goes to coaching, then just bring someone else in to cover for him. When Konch goes, bring in cover, but numerically, we're quite well covered at the back thanks to Cole, Furlong, Robinson (hopefully).