Comparing Jimmy with the PE teacher and Lord Warnock.....

[stanistheman]

This 'PE teacher' tag is a bit idiotic and childish, isn't it?

Just because it didn't work out for him as 1st team coach here, he was head coach of the England under-20's as well as having various coaching and scouting roles within the FA. He holds a UEFA coaching licence and a FA Coach Education Diploma. He was Head of Player Development with Spurs Academy for 10 years, responsible for bringing through the ranks untold amounts of talent.

I'd say we're quite fortunate to have him as head of our academy.

That might be true, but he should have been left at doing just that with the youth players rathet than attempting to keep QPR in the Premiership.

[MattyRangers]

This 'PE teacher' tag is a bit idiotic and childish, isn't it?

Just because it didn't work out for him as 1st team coach here, he was head coach of the England under-20's as well as having various coaching and scouting roles within the FA. He holds a UEFA coaching licence and a FA Coach Education Diploma. He was Head of Player Development with Spurs Academy for 10 years, responsible for bringing through the ranks untold amounts of talent.

I'd say we're quite fortunate to have him as head of our academy.

Well said Stan

[Ginger Ninja]

It's not offensive, but I do think it's short-sighted. We know what Warnock can do, we're seeing it at Rotherham, but as Neil himself has admitted in a recent interview, he loves the blood and thunder of the Championship, this is his level. What we're doing now as a club, and I think this has been explained widely and clearly, is to build for the future. And Neil just isn't for the long term any more.

And let's not forget, in contrasting Neil with JFH, you're contrasting one the most experienced managers currently working in football with one who is a much younger, genuine up and comer. So of course in that analysis, JFH may fall short - but it's not really a fair or even a salient analysis, because the need to stabilise and build on a solid platform for the future is paramount, not to reach the play-offs before we're ready (without wishing to recycle that particular argument). And I think even the most ardent anti-JFH fans are having to admit that we can see his influence is starting to have a positive effect. I'm starting to feel excited and engaged in the club again, and I certainly wasn't feeling this at the start of the season.

Top, top post Hubble. Agree completely.

[qpr4life]

This 'PE teacher' tag is a bit idiotic and childish, isn't it?

Just because it didn't work out for him as 1st team coach here, he was head coach of the England under-20's as well as having various coaching and scouting roles within the FA. He holds a UEFA coaching licence and a FA Coach Education Diploma. He was Head of Player Development with Spurs Academy for 10 years, responsible for bringing through the ranks untold amounts of talent.

I'd say we're quite fortunate to have him as head of our academy.

[hal9thou]

It's not offensive, but I do think it's short-sighted. We know what Warnock can do, we're seeing it at Rotherham, but as Neil himself has admitted in a recent interview, he loves the blood and thunder of the Championship, this is his level. What we're doing now as a club, and I think this has been explained widely and clearly, is to build for the future. And Neil just isn't for the long term any more.

And let's not forget, in contrasting Neil with JFH, you're contrasting one the most experienced managers currently working in football with one who is a much younger.

Hmmm. The problem with this analysis is that overlooks the fact that in the period between CR and JFH, the club went public and moved the goal posts, citing the need for a play off place as central to Ramsey's dismissal, since at the time this looked increasingly unlikely. This, by the way, was Plan B and not what the set of requirements were during the close season when stability and development under Ramsey was the mantra.

If at the time JFH was appointed promotion was the goal - and that indeed was the club's stated position - it is logical to suggest that Warnock was as well qualified as anyone to achieve that. Indeed, in comparison with JFH, there is a case for saying that both Warnock and Ramsey were hard done by, as a stats comparison shows that the latter's form was relatively superior vs JFH using the number of champ games he presided over as a guide. Re Warnock, I never believed for a second he wouldn't have loved the job, and subsequent events suggest that this may not be a misguided view.

I have no problem with stability, but if the club really wanted promotion (the stated aim) there is an argument they got the appointment wrong.
As soon they realised JFH was no more likely to achieve this than Ramsey, they changed their tune again. In other words compared to Ramsey JFH has been indulged. Personally I don't mind that if stability and a base to build from is the result, it would just be nice if the club could go through half a season without some ill conceived public comment upping the ante.

[Hubble]

It doesn't overlook that fact. It's accepting we've moved on. This endless retrospection does no one any favours. Open the pod bay doors Hal. It's sunny outside.

[nasser95]

Hmmm. The problem with this analysis is that overlooks the fact that in the period between CR and JFH, the club went public and moved the goal posts, citing the need for a play off place as central to Ramsey's dismissal, since at the time this looked increasingly unlikely. This, by the way, was Plan B and not what the set of requirements were during the close season when stability and development under Ramsey was the mantra.

If at the time JFH was appointed promotion was the goal - and that indeed was the club's stated position - it is logical to suggest that Warnock was as well qualified as anyone to achieve that. Indeed, in comparison with JFH, there is a case for saying that both Warnock and Ramsey were hard done by, as a stats comparison shows that the latter's form was relatively superior vs JFH using the number of champ games he presided over as a guide. Re Warnock, I never believed for a second he wouldn't have loved the job, and subsequent events suggest that this may not be a misguided view.

I have no problem with stability, but if the club really wanted promotion (the stated aim) there is an argument they got the appointment wrong.
As soon they realised JFH was no more likely to achieve this than Ramsey, they changed their tune again. In other words compared to Ramsey JFH has been indulged. Personally I don't mind that if stability and a base to build from is the result, it would just be nice if the club could go through half a season without some ill conceived public comment upping the ante.

Just to say, the club's stated position was Play Offs/signs of long term improvement. Given the decision to cut the squad, JFH's position is significantly better than that of CR, who has had a full squad to work from as well as NW who also had a big pool of players to choose from. The club wanted signs of improvement. They got it. JFH has shown a growth and development in the style of play at the club with a significantly smaller and lower quality pool of players than was available at the beginning of the season. The need for a play off place was made the reason for CR's dismissal based on the squad he had available. JFH has consciously made it clear that the club will work with the players who have a long term future here and as such there has to be a level of leniency with the position. This is where I think you are missing the club's stance.

They upped the ante at the end of the first transfer window for the record and when CR couldn't achieve that with the stronger squad he had, they moved him on. Now JFH is matching and improving on that without a few of the more key players and higher earning players.

[Awin]

bingo!

[stanistheman]

Hmmm. The problem with this analysis is that overlooks the fact that in the period between CR and JFH, the club went public and moved the goal posts, citing the need for a play off place as central to Ramsey's dismissal, since at the time this looked increasingly unlikely. This, by the way, was Plan B and not what the set of requirements were during the close season when stability and development under Ramsey was the mantra.

If at the time JFH was appointed promotion was the goal - and that indeed was the club's stated position - it is logical to suggest that Warnock was as well qualified as anyone to achieve that. Indeed, in comparison with JFH, there is a case for saying that both Warnock and Ramsey were hard done by, as a stats comparison shows that the latter's form was relatively superior vs JFH using the number of champ games he presided over as a guide. Re Warnock, I never believed for a second he wouldn't have loved the job, and subsequent events suggest that this may not be a misguided view.

I have no problem with stability, but if the club really wanted promotion (the stated aim) there is an argument they got the appointment wrong.
As soon they realised JFH was no more likely to achieve this than Ramsey, they changed their tune again. In other words compared to Ramsey JFH has been indulged. Personally I don't mind that if stability and a base to build from is the result, it would just be nice if the club could go through half a season without some ill conceived public comment upping the ante.

I agree with you. The club sacked Ramsey as they wanted promotion in which case Warnock would have been the right man. With him in charge I think QPR would be in the hunt for automatic promotion not just the play offs.

However, I can see that JFH is building something and hopefully will continue to make progress. Mycomplaint about him would be the rather negative play and formations. I would like to see Washington alongside Polter in a 442 or at least both in the starting line up in a 433

[nasser95]

I agree with you. The club sacked Ramsey as they wanted promotion in which case Warnock would have been the right man. With him in charge I think QPR would be in the hunt for automatic promotion not just the play offs.

However, I can see that JFH is building something and hopefully will continue to make progress. Mycomplaint about him would be the rather negative play and formations. I would like to see Washington alongside Polter in a 442 or at least both in the starting line up in a 433

To be fair to him, he tried that twice, we won once and lost once against Ipswich and Fulham and generally weren't that great playing it. We don't have the right personnel around those two to make it work yet.

[FurtiveFox]

Come into this late but read an article from Jermaine Jenas about Steve McLaren and struck a chord. Basics of it was that Mac was great coach, players loved him, fantastic training sessions but lacked the distance you need as a manager. To have respect from the players Jenas feels you can't be one of the lads, have to take a step back. Also said 'Arry was too far removed although not relevant to this discussion!

Hear same things about CR. Great with players, tactics, training etc. Add to that he joined in a coaching rather than managerial capacity so maybe same kind of thing. Great coach but lacks approach needed to morph into a good manager.

Too early to tell about JFH but do get impression he is trying to build a team as opposed to a group of individuals. Team has more settled look about it. Won't know until next season but reasonably positive about him.

[Brian Wilson]

Hear same things about CR. Great with players, tactics, training etc. Add to that he joined in a coaching rather than managerial capacity so maybe same kind of thing. Great coach but lacks approach needed to morph into a good manager.

Too early to tell about JFH but do get impression he is trying to build a team as opposed to a group of individuals. Team has more settled look about it. Won't know until next season but reasonably positive about him.

Always felt that Ramsey's body language betrayed him, making him look a man out of his depth at times. Don't get that with JFH. He seems a much stricter more confident character.

[Hove Ranger]

Always felt that Ramsey's body language betrayed him, making him look a man out of his depth at times. Don't get that with JFH. He seems a much stricter more confident character.

Agree with that Brian. I love Jimmy's demeanor. Never shows much emotion win or lose but shows enough to know you wouldn't want to cross his path. Also feel he holds himself well in interviews and public speaking appearances.

[nasser95]

Agree with that Brian. I love Jimmy's demeanor. Never shows much emotion win or lose but shows enough to know you wouldn't want to cross his path. Also feel he holds himself well in interviews and public speaking appearances.

Jimmy also has Oldfield who is apparently the bad cop to Jimmy's supposedly 'good cop'. Having that sort of dynamic with your assistant always helps in creating the balance necessary to succeed in all facets of his role.

[dogsrrs]

Always felt that Ramsey's body language betrayed him, making him look a man out of his depth at times. Don't get that with JFH. He seems a much stricter more confident character.

Ramsey had as much carisma as dead trout on the touch line , where as Jimmy Floyd is alive confidently instructing his players and urgeing them to fight the game , in other words Brian your bang on