Comparing Jimmy with the PE teacher and Lord Warnock.....

[Olly]

Different factions here already know/or are now realising, how long it can take for a manager to get a team to play as a unit. Some shorter, some longer, depending on the circumstances they inherit. Given that more players will be coming and going, top six would be a momentous achievement next season. If all this and more goes well, we then will do well in keeping Jimmy here, away from predators.

[amusant]

You can make all sorts of arguments against and in favour...a lot of Ramsay's class players didn't want to be at LR, so didn't perform to their best - Jimmy got a side in transition.

If you do the same with Hughes, Warnock and Harry's records in the Premier League, you'll find they're all pretty similar - there's barely anything in it.

In football management the last guy is always awful, the new guy always great, but our experience over the last few years suggests it doesn't make a lot of difference whoever is in charge

[Awin]

FFs. It isn't an anti Jimmy post, you muppet. It's a comment on the season. I was asking for opinions. I'm not anti Jimmy you f acking p rick. I'm outta here. Have the place to yourself. Cretin.

Wow did anyone else see that dummy being flung at pace?

[ZANNEYQPR]

Record under the PE teacher and Lord Warnock

P19 W7 D05 L07 F24 A25; 26 points

Record under Jimmy

P19 W5 D10 L4 F23 A18; 25 points.

Not much in it, is there? Not being beat so much is good, but drawing so many rather than winning a couple of those draws isn't good. But...... What do folk think?

JFH better than the PE teacher but not much to be proud of as he was shockingly bad.

We would be comfortably in the play off places if we had stuck with Warnock he would
have got the best out these so called problem players its called man management.

Sorry if that offends anyone just my opinion.

[Shania]

I thought we supported the same club. But no, obviously not..

[Hubble]

JFH better than the PE teacher but not much to be proud of as he was shockingly bad.

We would be comfortably in the play off places if we had stuck with Warnock he would
have got the best out these so called problem players its called man management.

Sorry if that offends anyone just my opinion.

It's not offensive, but I do think it's short-sighted. We know what Warnock can do, we're seeing it at Rotherham, but as Neil himself has admitted in a recent interview, he loves the blood and thunder of the Championship, this is his level. What we're doing now as a club, and I think this has been explained widely and clearly, is to build for the future. And Neil just isn't for the long term any more.

And let's not forget, in contrasting Neil with JFH, you're contrasting one the most experienced managers currently working in football with one who is a much younger, genuine up and comer. So of course in that analysis, JFH may fall short - but it's not really a fair or even a salient analysis, because the need to stabilise and build on a solid platform for the future is paramount, not to reach the play-offs before we're ready (without wishing to recycle that particular argument). And I think even the most ardent anti-JFH fans are having to admit that we can see his influence is starting to have a positive effect. I'm starting to feel excited and engaged in the club again, and I certainly wasn't feeling this at the start of the season.

[Awin]

[Stanley]

This 'PE teacher' tag is a bit idiotic and childish, isn't it?

Just because it didn't work out for him as 1st team coach here, he was head coach of the England under-20's as well as having various coaching and scouting roles within the FA. He holds a UEFA coaching licence and a FA Coach Education Diploma. He was Head of Player Development with Spurs Academy for 10 years, responsible for bringing through the ranks untold amounts of talent.

I'd say we're quite fortunate to have him as head of our academy.

[Awin]

Two in a row I agree with

[CroydonCaptainJack]

This 'PE teacher' tag is a bit idiotic and childish, isn't it?

Just because it didn't work out for him as 1st team coach here, he was head coach of the England under-20's as well as having various coaching and scouting roles within the FA. He holds a UEFA coaching licence and a FA Coach Education Diploma. He was Head of Player Development with Spurs Academy for 10 years, responsible for bringing through the ranks untold amounts of talent.

I'd say we're quite fortunate to have him as head of our academy.

[Shepherds Mush]

I'll take what we are doing now - a draw away and a win at home - against getting spanked away and the odd win at home, any day of the week

[Hoop-du-Jour]

This 'PE teacher' tag is a bit idiotic and childish, isn't it?

Just because it didn't work out for him as 1st team coach here, he was head coach of the England under-20's as well as having various coaching and scouting roles within the FA. He holds a UEFA coaching licence and a FA Coach Education Diploma. He was Head of Player Development with Spurs Academy for 10 years, responsible for bringing through the ranks untold amounts of talent.

I'd say we're quite fortunate to have him as head of our academy.

If he's that eminent in his field of expertise, why is he with us?? Even after being sacked, this much lauded, multi-licenced paragon still came back to us!

Is it even remotely possible that it's because he's shlt and not even able to get within spitting distance of a prem job? Just a thought...

[Stanley]

If he's that eminent in his field of expertise, why is he with us??

Why shouldn't he be?

And he's only 'eminent' as you put it in as far as what he'd achieved at Spurs and with England. No more, no less.

[corbray]

If he's that eminent in his field of expertise, why is he with us?? Even after being sacked, this much lauded, multi-licenced paragon still came back to us!

Is it even remotely possible that it's because he's shlt and not even able to get within spitting distance of a prem job? Just a thought...

I think it was reported that he had a clause in his contract were the club could take him back in his current role in the event of his sacking as head coach, I guess we simply took up that option.

[stanistheman]

I have a lot more hope for the future under JFH than I ever did under Ramsey, we have a ways to go but I'm starting to trust JFH might have a clue, I never felt that under Ramsey and he had time! Warnock is another discussion, he obviously can get the best out of teams he coaches, whether he was the right guy for us right now is questionable!

Ramsey was clueless. There is no compairing the two because of the players at their disposal, but also because Warnock won 2 games and a draw fron his 4 games in charge plus coached the players or advised the PE teacher in four other games that resulted in another win and draw.
The results under the PE teachers sole charge were dreadful apart fron the early 3 match winning run. More telling though was the shambolic defending and lack of direction in their play.