The Positives and Negatives @SheffieldWednesday

[Hove Ranger]

Possession means naff all nowadays (it had its renaissance few years back when tiki taka was all the rage), as Mush says its what you do with it. Would hate to become a team that has 60% possession and play crab/sideways football. Aren't leicester averaging under 50% this season? Nas? (might be wrong though)

[MattyRangers]

Possession means naff all nowadays (it had its renaissance few years back when tiki taka was all the rage), as Mush says its what you do with it. Would hate to become a team that has 60% possession and play crab/sideways football. Aren't leicester averaging under 50% this season? Nas? (might be wrong though)

This with bells on. Possession is a total nonsense.

Chelski had a minority of the possession in the CL final vs Bayern yet who has their name carved on the trophy?
Ar$enal at home to Bayern this season. Bayern had 70 something % possession and lost.
The tika-taka era has been and gone.
The only stat that matters is the scoreline.

[Hubble]

Possession is 9/10ths of the flaw.

[Shepherds Mush]

yet who has their name carved on the trophy?.

Play-off final 2013/14 - winners had 32% possession.

Derby 0 - 1 QPR......all that mattered that day!

[nasser95]

Possession stats are only really relevant when considering opportunities created. In part I see the point being made by Hal, but a lot of the time, the possession becomes irrelevant through numerous other variables.

[Timmy the Doc]

He cost us far more than 3-4 points.

He cost us max. 5 points before his last two games (1 vs Charlton, 1 vs Nottingham, 2 vs Brighton and 1 vs Ipswich). If you think he was at fault for all three goals vs Huddersfield and Hull, then you are right and he cost us far more than 3-4 points.

[hal9thou]

Possession means naff all nowadays (it had its renaissance few years back when tiki taka was all the rage), as Mush says its what you do with it. Would hate to become a team that has 60% possession and play crab/sideways football. Aren't leicester averaging under 50% this season? Nas? (might be wrong though)

Possession is absolutely vital when you are as vulnerable at the back as we have been at times this term.

Possession does not mean Ray Wilkins. It can mean moving the ball fro9m back to front at pace on the ground.

Of course you can win with 30%, but you have to be outstanding at back. As the play off final proved.

Possession is a total nonsense.
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Misguided assumption.

Someone mentioned tiki taka, again an extreme reaction. I just want evidence that we can actually keep the ball when we choose, once or twice a season would be nice.

If anyone doubts the importance of control through posession, I'd be willing to have a bet that the majority of top flight league games throughout Europe will be won by the team that controlled possession, Nas to verify the stats. A level £50 say? We can use admin as stake holder. ;)

[Hove Ranger]

If anyone doubts the importance of control through posession, I'd be willing to have a bet that the majority of top flight league games throughout Europe will be won by the team that controlled possession, Nas to verify the stats. A level £50 say? We can use admin as stake holder. ;)

Have a look a bit closer to home mate. The championship possession % table is quite different to the actual table (Fulham, Brentford, Huddersfield and MK Dons are in the top 6 according to whoscored.com). Think that is more relevant than the major leagues as this our level. Also look at Leicester who are near the bottom of the prem possession table

[hal9thou]

Also look at Leicester who are near the bottom of the prem possession table

True, but Leicester really can defend, in fact they start defending a long way up the park, the instant ball is lost.. I also agree that things are less clear cut lower down the league. You do have to cut according to cloth, but I still reckon you have to run a tight ship at the back if you want to succeed with low possession. Plus I'd like to see an Rs side again that actually looks comfortable on the ball......

[Ginger Ninja]

True, but Leicester really can defend, in fact they start defending a long way up the park, the instant ball is lost.. I also agree that things are less clear cut lower down the league. You do have to cut according to cloth, but I still reckon you have to run a tight ship at the back if you want to succeed with low possession. Plus I'd like to see an Rs side again that actually looks comfortable on the ball......

Have we not shown that, under JFH, we can defend? 3 losses, and only one game where we have conceded more than 2. Our problem is our inability to score. Possession means fark all imo.

[Shepherds Mush]

I'd be willing to have a bet that the majority of top flight league games throughout Europe will be won by the team that controlled possession

Lucky you didn't say last Saturday in the PL

Sunderland v United
Bournemouth v Stoke
Palace v Watford
Everton v West Brom
Swansea v Southampton

all won by the team with the lower possession % stat

[nasser95]

Possession is absolutely vital when you are as vulnerable at the back as we have been at times this term.

Possession does not mean Ray Wilkins. It can mean moving the ball fro9m back to front at pace on the ground.

Of course you can win with 30%, but you have to be outstanding at back. As the play off final proved.




Misguided assumption.

Someone mentioned tiki taka, again an extreme reaction. I just want evidence that we can actually keep the ball when we choose, once or twice a season would be nice.

If anyone doubts the importance of control through posession, I'd be willing to have a bet that the majority of top flight league games throughout Europe will be won by the team that controlled possession, Nas to verify the stats. A level £50 say? We can use admin as stake holder. ;)

Good thing you didn't go with tonights games, of the 15 europa league games tonight, 8 were won by the team with less possession.

[hal9thou]

Good thing you didn't go with tonights games, of the 15 europa league games tonight, 8 were won by the team with less possession.

Yeah, I did say top flight though.....

Our problem is our inability to score. Possession means fark all imo.

Dont you think those two issues might be connected?