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  • #46
    Lets deal with the facts. Because there will be a lot of claims from both sides that cannot be supported by evidence.

    Firstly Doctors, did not have trouble from outside the EU getting into the UK. Were there hoops, yes there were and rightly so. They came into the Country under what is called the Tier 1 General Skilled Migration Visia, the only trouble is that the Tory Government closed it down in attempt to play the game of meeting its targets. Of course it was open to business folk to come in and no limits were put on their numbers, hence the Russian mafia influx. It also does not answer the question on numbers as 25% of registered overseas doctors did not come from the EU and only until very recently the majority overseas doctors did not come from the EU. Any sovereign country can set its own rules as the UK did and still does. If they have a job offer they apply for a visa and they have to pass the General Medical Councils PLAB test to assess their suitability to practice and if so they get their licence.This is not going to change, this does not apply however for EU doctors. As I understand the Governments position those working and settled here will remain. Personally I dont give a toss where the doctor comes from, because if you have knowledge of the profession and my family is medical, I want the best; some of the best and pioneering doctors in the NHS are not Brits. Many of the people in the UK who have had heart transplants do so because of the work of an Egyptian doctor who led the way and others followed in his wake and there are many more in other fields of medicine. So what ever your views are, don't get persuaded one way or the other by the scaremongering from both camps, look for the facts.
    Populus fui meus nomen , tamen meus nomen est non meus nomen

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    • #47
      Originally posted by The Leveller View Post
      So what ever your views are, don't get persuaded one way or the other by the scaremongering from both camps, look for the facts.
      Unfortunately, like in many things, facts tend to be hard to establish when opposing views are expressed.

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      • #48
        The problem is nobody knows what is going to happen if we vote for Brexit (Flexit isn't going to happen). Ideally I would like to leave the EU and have something like NAFTA. When we voted in 1975, it was basically an economical agreement which I thought was a good idea. Unfortunately this got changed and the general population had little say in it. This is when we should have had a referendum (for Maastricht for example). If we do vote to stay in then we should be given the opportunity to vote on any future changes (as a lot of countries do).

        I think David Cameron has to be congratulated on allowing us a referendum. Unlike he predecessors, he did not promise us a referundum and at the last minute find a dumb excuse for us not to have one.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by jmelanie View Post
          I think David Cameron has to be congratulated on allowing us a referendum. Unlike he predecessors, he did not promise us a referundum and at the last minute find a dumb excuse for us not to have one.
          Call me Dave only came out with the EU referendum idea to kill the UKIP vote & you can be sure he didn't have a clue he was going to win a majority government & have to actually go through with it .........
          "Steve, do you think 25k is a good option when there are indications that within four years, new stadiums on average have increased attendances of 60%?
          For us that would mean around 29k."


          QPR Richard 16-12-2013 10.08pm

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          • #50
            anyone else find it ironic the Eastern European countries are up in arms about accepting migrant quotas when half of their populations are over here
            I must away now, I can no longer tarry
            This morning's tempest I have to cross
            I must be guided without a stumble
            Into the arms I love the most

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            • #51
              Is there a simple site that explains the pros and cons?

              This question was asked a few days ago on LBC and they all wanted to know.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by MYU View Post
                Is there a simple site that explains the pros and cons?
                The knowledgeable posters on this thread have done a pretty good job of that IMO.

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                • #53
                  Norway is a not a member of the EU, but we still have to follow quite a lot of it´s rules. due to the EØS/EFTA-treaty we signed years ago. By the way, this issue causes a forever ongoing debate here in my country.
                  Last edited by Shania; 25-02-2016, 06:55 PM.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Hubble View Post
                    Agreed, excellent debate, some very interesting and well put points from everyone. Leveller, your argument is very persuasive. My fear of a Brexit is that we end up with the Murdoch/Johnson cabal ruling us serfs with no one to intervene. In practise, I absolutely agree with the idea of retaining our sovereignty over our own affairs, but in reality, in a globalised world, what is a sovereign state any more? When most of our industry and utilities are already foreign-owned, what kind of State would we become? To be quite honest, right now, I can't decide which option is best.
                    A sovereign nation for me is one that is accountable to its people, if we don't like or agree with the way we are being governed we can vote them out. What mechanism do we have to vote out the European council?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by NW_Hoopz View Post
                      I'm afraid you've brought into #ProjectFear & the scaremongering tactics used to control the population although you have answered your own statement.

                      "The NHS will shut down" is the new "RACIST" that the media use to shout at people if we try & rationally discuss fears about immigration.

                      It WILL be used on tomorrow nights BBC Questiontime, along with other terms

                      In fact lets start a sweepstake on here;

                      NHS shutdown x 4
                      Safer x 15
                      Stronger x 18
                      Leap into the dark x 9
                      Terrorism prevention x 5
                      Is my guess .......

                      No one apart from complete far right knuckle draggers is suggesting NO IMMIGRATION .......
                      Controlled immigration allows the country to 'import' whatever educated people we need whether they are Doctors or Carpenters.

                      BUT as I stated earlier Norway still had open doors forced on them by their government so don't vote #Brexit thinking they will control the borders .......
                      This post is spot on, I watch Question Time every week and the amount of times a politician (normally of the Labour variety) panders to the crowd with these sound bites is embarrassing...

                      We know the NHS needs support from overseas workers, no-one is denying that..! We just want to see controlled immigration, is that too much to ask for?

                      Dianne Abbott is on the show tonight (a border line racist herself) and she will probably mention every one of those sound bites...

                      I'm on the fence still but after suffering Abbott for an hour I'll be a Brexiter come 11pm.
                      "Ever since you were born I always knew you were a bender!"
                      The Last Airbender - M Night Shyamalan - 2010

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Cardiff Ranger View Post
                        This post is spot on, I watch Question Time every
                        week and the amount of times a politician (normally of the Labour variety) panders to the crowd with these sound bites is embarrassing...

                        We know the NHS needs support from overseas workers, no-one is denying that..! We just want to see controlled immigration, is that too much to ask for?

                        Dianne Abbott is on the show tonight (a border line racist herself) and she will probably mention every one of those sound bites...

                        I'm on the fence still but after suffering Abbott for an hour I'll be a Brexiter come 11pm.
                        Get ya sweepstake entry in then before broadcast .........

                        MYU might be able to get a prize together for the winner :-)
                        "Steve, do you think 25k is a good option when there are indications that within four years, new stadiums on average have increased attendances of 60%?
                        For us that would mean around 29k."


                        QPR Richard 16-12-2013 10.08pm

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by NW_Hoopz View Post
                          Get ya sweepstake entry in then before broadcast .........

                          MYU might be able to get a prize together for the winner :-)
                          Put me down for....

                          Tories want to privatise the NHS x 4
                          Immigration is a good thing (with no mention of it being controlled) x5
                          The SNP will leave the UK if we vote out (without a single mention of the sheer hypocrisy of that statement) x 3
                          Jeremy Corbyn may dress like a student but he is a principled man (without a single mention of his massive U-turn on now wanting to stay in the EU) x 7
                          Cameron's 'deal' isn't worth the paper it's printed on x 4
                          Cameron is a bully x 4
                          Jeremy Hunt is evil, he should leave the NHS alone x 3 (without any plausible alternatives discussed)
                          The crowd cheering anything remotely centre-left wing x 50
                          "Ever since you were born I always knew you were a bender!"
                          The Last Airbender - M Night Shyamalan - 2010

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                          • #58
                            This sums it up

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                            • #59
                              he'll be looking down on Hague, May and Javid in utter despair at the turn-coats
                              I must away now, I can no longer tarry
                              This morning's tempest I have to cross
                              I must be guided without a stumble
                              Into the arms I love the most

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Cardiff Ranger View Post
                                Put me down for....


                                Tories want to privatise the NHS x 4
                                Immigration is a good thing (with no mention of it being controlled) x5
                                The SNP will leave the UK if we vote out (without a single mention of the sheer hypocrisy of that statement) x 3
                                Jeremy Corbyn may dress like a student but he is a principled man (without a single mention of his massive U-turn on now wanting to stay in the EU) x 7
                                Cameron's 'deal' isn't worth the paper it's printed on x 4
                                Cameron is a bully x 4
                                Jeremy Hunt is evil, he should leave the NHS alone x 3 (without any plausible alternatives discussed)
                                The crowd cheering anything remotely centre-left wing x 50
                                Great effort, but I'm afraid this weeks Question Time sweepstake is only for #ProjectFear keywords .........
                                "Steve, do you think 25k is a good option when there are indications that within four years, new stadiums on average have increased attendances of 60%?
                                For us that would mean around 29k."


                                QPR Richard 16-12-2013 10.08pm

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