Our General Support In London league Table?

[Stanley]

Some new cantilevered roofs should do the trick, surely!

[W12_Ranger]

Some new cantilevered roofs should do the trick, surely!

Cantilevering the roofs yes is achievable, but the structural engineering would be pretty heavy to say the least.

Plus you'd have to regrade the seating tiers, increase the width of the steps, new coporate facilities etc etc. Building Control has changed since the old ground was redeveloped which could be a pain in the #### when your fighting for every square inch of space. Planning laws on height restictions and space parameter regulations would have to form part of a very detailed design which would cost £££££££.

The question I always asked myself when it comes to this subject is....if we redeveloped just one stand i.e The Ellerslie Road how can we justify the the other 3 sides of the ground having a severe level of discomfort by comparison?

The whole thing or at least 3 sides would need to be redeveloped in my view.

[Factamondo]

Chelsea
Arsenal
Spurs
West Ham
Fulham
C Palace
Charlton
QPR
Watford
Millwall
Brentford
Orient
Barnet
Dagenham @ Redbridge

Would you say thats fair?? How far could we move up the table in years to come?

too be fair watford are above us crowd wise and ive always said some of our fans think we're a bigger club than we could ever be.even in the prem we'd struggle to get 25000 and thats with 5000 visiting fans,.........the masses of empty seats at the play off final is proof!

[Kit]

If we do get back to prem and move, why wouldn't or couldn't we return to those mid 70's crowds. No reason why we couldn't nestle in behind Chelsea, as they certainly have less than WHU etc, just watch their crowds dwindle if they were in WHU 's position !

[W12_Ranger]

If we do get back to prem and move, why wouldn't or couldn't we return to those mid 70's crowds. No reason why we couldn't nestle in behind Chelsea, as they certainly have less than WHU etc, just watch their crowds dwindle if they were in WHU 's position !

This is quite a typical comment and one I don't buy into. Yeah Chelsea's crowds may fall to around 35000 buts that about it, just because they hit a trough in the 80s doesn't mean its going to happen again same with Newcastle. We hit a peak in the 70s of 25000 - that was nearly 2 generations ago watching the greatest QPR team there will ever be.

We are a small London club that is the truth but we are a proper football team where 10-15% of our support follow our team away.

[Factamondo]

This is quite a typical comment and one I don't buy into. Yeah Chelsea's crowds may fall to around 35000 buts that about it, just because they hit a trough in the 80s doesn't mean its going to happen again same with Newcastle. We hit a peak in the 70s of 25000 - that was nearly 2 generations ago watching the greatest QPR team there will ever be.

We are a small London club that is the truth but we are a proper football team where 10-15% of our support follow our team away.

:waaaht: i actually agree with that posting young fella..........im beginning too feel we are finally connecting!!!!

[W12_Ranger]

:waaaht: i actually agree with that posting young fella..........im beginning too feel we are finally connecting!!!!

I can edit it to stop that feeling if you want, but I do agree with you too......our fans do think we are a bigger club than what we are.

[Gtleighsr3]

every black cab driver in london seems to be an Orient fan so id have them higher.

[qblockpete]

First season in the premiership it would be 25,000, with sustained presence it could reach 30,000.

Some live in the past and admittedly we had great support 75/76 season but football has changed. Also, You cannot compare to the late eighties/early nineties. its now all about media exposure. Fulham started well behind us, when we were getting 14,000, they were getting 5-6,000, so really anything is acheiveable. I want to walk around the ground/nearby areas and not see kids wearing Liverpool and Man Utd tops and that day will come, but it will take time.

[W12_Ranger]

First season in the premiership it would be 25,000, with sustained presence it could reach 30,000.

Some live in the past and admittedly we had great support 75/76 season but football has changed. Also, You cannot compare to the late eighties/early nineties. its now all about media exposure. Fulham started well behind us, when we were getting 14,000, they were getting 5-6,000, so really anything is acheiveable. I want to walk around the ground/nearby areas and not see kids wearing Liverpool and Man Utd tops and that day will come, but it will take time.

No chance we are not that big!

[Robbo]

Bit difficult to drop Fulham down the list when they have been averaging 20K + for a few years now?

True, but I've been to a Fulham home game... and a fair percentage (not all, obviously) didn't strike me as Fulham supporters. More like local football fans, who like Fulham.

My sons best mate (15) has a season ticket at Fulham, because his dad is a bit of an old Fulham fan, and the season tickets are cheap... and he gets to watch Premier League Football in London every week.
Which is fair enough, but he lives in Colchester.

If it's just about home gates, then Fulham are "bigger" (whatever that means) than Palace, Charlton, QPR, Millwall etc.. But I tend to judge that on other stuff too. Like how many they take away, how many they'd get if they were half way down the 2nd/3rd division.

[Rangersw12]

To be honest I would rather have 10-15k " proper" QPR than 25k people who just want to see premiership football look at Fulhams support 12k proper fans and the rest made up of tourists

[Nodge70]

Spurs will wipe the floor with Chelsea's attendances once the new stadium is built.

It's only in the past 10 years that Palace and Charlton have overtaken us in the attendance stakes. Palace due to Prem yo-yoing and Charlton due to Prem football and a spanking new facilities and decent ticket marketing.

Palace have a massive catchment area if they were ever to get close to having a competent administration allied to a PL team. Much as I dislike the guy, someone like Keynon would make a mint down in SE25.

West Ham have far more potential than Chelsea but need a new ground to kick that on.

We're on a par with Palace, Fulham and Charlton. Much as it has always been.

IMO - Order would run something along the lines of....

Arsenal
Tottenham

then massive (15k) gap

Chelsea
West Ham

another big (10k) gap

Fulham
Palace
QPR
Charlton

gap

Millwall

gap


Brentford
Orient
Wimbledon
Barnet
Dagenham

[Nodge70]

No chance we are not that big!

If Fulham can average 26k in the PL, absolutely no reason why we couldn't.

[oldhoop]

If Fulham can average 26k in the PL, absolutely no reason why we couldn't.

................apart from the fact that there is the small matter of needing a new ground!!!!!