Insight into Warnock's recruiting

[Brian Wilson]

i wanted to get a protest up to sack frerdinand and ramsey and hasselbaink but knowbody would support me so now we are finished because evil les told everybody that neil didnt want the managers job but i cant do everything on my own i need unity from you supporters,REMEMBER THIS POST WHEN WE GET TURNED OVER BY BRENTFORD 3-0 UNDER WARNOCK WE WOULD WIN 1-0

ted ted ted ted TED! TED!

[dogsrrs]

he of course used to meet brian clough when they had the nottingham clubs warnock had county and clough had forest if we had warnock now we would be in the play places hes a genius he dosnt even need money to bring in players he dosnt have to sign players he can get a complete idiot like adel tarrabt make him score nineteen goals a season and make him championship player of the season
i wanted to get a protest up to sack frerdinand and ramsey and hasselbaink but knowbody would support me so now we are finished because evil les told everybody that neil didnt want the managers job but i cant do everything on my own i need unity from you supporters,REMEMBER THIS POST WHEN WE GET TURNED OVER BY BRENTFORD 3-0 UNDER WARNOCK WE WOULD WIN 1-0

Yeah but Ted you forgot the o/p Warnock does'nt know good players !So he signed not very good players for us such as Derry Hill Kenny Walker and the complete limited ability of Adel

[nasser95]

Yeah but Ted you forgot the o/p Warnock does'nt know good players !So he signed not very good players for us such as Derry Hill Kenny Walker and the complete limited ability of Adel

He signed players he knows, thats it. It's easy to sign adel when you've spent half a season watching him play for you. Its easy to sign Derry, Hill, Kenny when you've had them before. Its easy to sign Walker when the person who actually makes the decisions is your assistant manager.

[dogsrrs]

He signed players he knows, thats it. It's easy to sign adel when you've spent half a season watching him play for you. Its easy to sign Derry, Hill, Kenny when you've had them before. Its easy to sign Walker when the person who actually makes the decisions is your assistant manager.

so he does know a good player then even if he relied on his right hand man to scout them , as did clough Ferguson Shankley Jock Stien Billy Nick Arsen Wenger and many others

[nasser95]

so he does know a good player then even if he relied on his right hand man to scout them , as did clough Ferguson Shankley Jock Stien Billy Nick Arsen Wenger and many others

He didn't rely on his right hand man to scout him, his right hand man made the signing. If Mick Jones said sign the player, Warnock didn't try to get a second opinion on them, he just signed them. So if you want someone from that era to be our DoF, it should be Mick Jones, not warnock.

You think Ferguson didn't go and scout players himself? even Wenger? Wenger and Fergie had a scouting team but every time the manager would also have an opinion and would Veto often. Warnock never vetoed Mick Jones.

[dogsrrs]

He didn't rely on his right hand man to scout him, his right hand man made the signing. If Mick Jones said sign the player, Warnock didn't try to get a second opinion on them, he just signed them. So if you want someone from that era to be our DoF, it should be Mick Jones, not warnock.

You think Ferguson didn't go and scout players himself? even Wenger? Wenger and Fergie had a scouting team but every time the manager would also have an opinion and would Veto often. Warnock never vetoed Mick Jones.

YAWN run along sonny your must want to go to play

[nasser95]

YAWN run along sonny your must want to go to play

Love it, has nothing to say because he can't defend his point so attempts a rather poor joke about my age. Good lord.

[loneranger]

He signed players he knows, thats it. It's easy to sign adel when you've spent half a season watching him play for you. Its easy to sign Derry, Hill, Kenny when you've had them before. Its easy to sign Walker when the person who actually makes the decisions is your assistant manager.

I thought he signed players that were happy to give him his Bung.

[Ramsey is god]

like you Nasser, i was never on board with NW coming back to the club on a permanent basis.

Not knocking him for what this thread suggests though, as takes a big man to acknowledge someone else is better at a certain area than you and to rely on their judgement.

hope he does the biz at Rotherham, but not right for us at the moment with a club who are thinking long term.

[dogsrrs]

like you Nasser, i was never on board with NW coming back to the club on a permanent basis.

Not knocking him for what this thread suggests though, as takes a big man to acknowledge someone else is better at a certain area than you and to rely on their judgement.

hope he does the biz at Rotherham, but not right for us at the moment with a club who are thinking long term.

It's not about bringing him back Rams it's about this this constant comparing him to L F
Warnock has been a success for this club even tho he used scouts to find his players ,
L F has yet to be a success for this club tho I think he will be but at the moment where's the positive proof either way ? , it would be naïve to think L F doesn't use scouts he's got to ,
For me I would rather L F had been the manager for a year before becoming the DOF that position isn't the place for work experience ! L F has shown inexperience in the way he handled hiring RAMSEY sacking RAMSEY then hiring RAMSEY instead of hiring and then just moving him sideways on the arrival of Warnock ,
I have been accused of not liking LES which is wrong I've met him and spent time in his company he's a very affable fella good chat likes a bit of banter but that said what I don't like is the DOF for the reason I think we're to smaller a club for that

[Ramsey is god]

It's not about bringing him back Rams it's about this this constant comparing him to L F
Warnock has been a success for this club even tho he used scouts to find his players ,
L F has yet to be a success for this club tho I think he will be but at the moment where's the positive proof either way ? , it would be naïve to think L F doesn't use scouts he's got to ,
For me I would rather L F had been the manager for a year before becoming the DOF that position isn't the place for work experience ! L F has shown inexperience in the way he handled hiring RAMSEY sacking RAMSEY then hiring RAMSEY instead of hiring and then just moving him sideways on the arrival of Warnock ,
I have been accused of not liking LES which is wrong I've met him and spent time in his company he's a very affable fella good chat likes a bit of banter but that said what I don't like is the DOF for the reason I think we're to smaller a club for that

dont even know how anyone can compare the two of them when they have both had different roles for the club.

Cant argue Warnock was successful for the club and did us a big favor again this year. I will always appreciate what he done for us. But he is limited as a manager though, there's a reason he never cut the mustard at prem level.

I might have this wrong but i thought warnock was after an "advisory role" at he club. I always had in my mind he would help out on managerial issues, nothing to do with signings. I can see both sides of this, Yes he has fantastic experience and has seen and done it all really. On the other side, you cant have someone butting in on the managers decisions.

I am happy with how the club is structured now, if you had warnock lurking in the background, people can escape responsibility and its hard to pin point who is doing well and who isnt (from a staff point of view).

As for DOF- im a fan of this role and think it is the way forward. not so long ago a manager was supposed to be an expert in coaching, motivating, tactical awareness, scouting, negotiation, finances etc. if you can have someone who is a specialist in signings, scouting, then let them work together. Thats how i see it.

Les - i think he has done a great job since joining. not one single club are going to be able to make great signings every time, your always getting to get a few duds. We seem to stick to our guns now which is something i have wanted for years as we were true muppets in the market before, but i think this has changed recently.

Its all in place for a bright future imho.

[nasser95]

like you Nasser, i was never on board with NW coming back to the club on a permanent basis.

Not knocking him for what this thread suggests though, as takes a big man to acknowledge someone else is better at a certain area than you and to rely on their judgement.

hope he does the biz at Rotherham, but not right for us at the moment with a club who are thinking long term.

RIG mate, I agree with you, I'm not knocking him as a manager at all. I am knocking him as a potential DoF as some here suggested he should be. He is not DoF material, he's not around all the time, he doesn't do scouting, he's not right for that job. Managerially he's excellent, we all know that here. Les knows the DoF role because he studied for it and he was a player and knows what it takes to convince a player and to see a player's talent.

[nasser95]

It's not about bringing him back Rams it's about this this constant comparing him to L F
Warnock has been a success for this club even tho he used scouts to find his players ,
L F has yet to be a success for this club tho I think he will be but at the moment where's the positive proof either way ? , it would be naïve to think L F doesn't use scouts he's got to ,
For me I would rather L F had been the manager for a year before becoming the DOF that position isn't the place for work experience ! L F has shown inexperience in the way he handled hiring RAMSEY sacking RAMSEY then hiring RAMSEY instead of hiring and then just moving him sideways on the arrival of Warnock ,
I have been accused of not liking LES which is wrong I've met him and spent time in his company he's a very affable fella good chat likes a bit of banter but that said what I don't like is the DOF for the reason I think we're to smaller a club for that

None of this makes any sense from top to bottom. I'll go through line by line:

1) We are comparing them for a role which people have suggested could be Neil's, something it should never be based on the factual evidence placed in front of us about what Neil does, how much he is available time wise and his inability to make a decision on a player, relying on others to do it for him. Those are characteristics he can afford to have as a manager, but not as a DoF.
2) No one has doubted this, but this is not the point of my OP or this thread in general
3) LF has done plenty of successful things for this club, his signings have in general been very good (always look for the 70% success rate as the threshold for being successful and 40% or less for failure - that's a scouts rule apparently); LF does use scouts but we also know that he goes himself to view the player and make the final judgement on him.
4) Being a manager doesn't make you a better DoF, that is not work experience. It would be like going to work as a security guard at a bank for work experience to get a job in the Mergers and Acquisitions department. Their in the same building most of the time but the jobs are two very different things. He got qualifications for the role and successfully passed an interview. That's enough to prove he can do the job.
5) Yes, he hired Ramsey for manager and it didn't work out, but we know Ramsey is better at youth development and it seems like his new role is a means to operate in this department of the club. Good on him for keeping him here to do a job we know he can be successful at.
6) There are so many smaller clubs worldwide that use DoF systems, to prove that size isn't relevant to this argument.

Also with regards to RIG, Warnock was mentioned on here as a possible alternative to Les for DoF and the idea kicked off on here a few months ago. This was just a thread to highlight the dangers of the suggestion. Whether he want's it or not wasn't the point.