where are all the people who were calling Onuoha a donkey?

[MattyRangers]

Could argue the other way around. Only 6 out of 18 games have been below a 7 rating this season. Hull, Fulham, Bolton, Birmingham, Wednesday, Brentford. Every other game has been 7+ and 4 games have been 8+. Only Curtis Davies and Dunk have Higher average match ratings than him at centre back. I'll take my chances and say he's had a great season and will continue to do so. Best intercepter in the league as well.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

As I've said before Nasser. I'll leave it to my eye balls to make that judgement not some 'stats' a computer has generated.

[nasser95]

Bit premature for a told you so thread Hubble haha.

He's average at best. I'd take most CB's in the top half of the championship over him. He needs to do it for a season consistently before you post these kind of threads, not 2-3 games. Hall for me is the key. Organises, vocal, calm and you can see that confidence trickle through to others.

I like Ned. Great guy, ok player but never a skipper. Credit where it's due for last few games he's been tidy enough. Let's hope his form can continue into double figures for once in his QPR career.

Really? Most Centre backs in the top half of the championship could only dream to be anywhere near his level. Onuoha is better on the ground defensively overall than any centre back in the championship and here is the proof. Below is a table showing the 5 major elements of defensive ground work and I think we can all agree on them: Tackling, Interceptions, Blocks, Clearances, Dispossessions.
Using all these, I found out how many times per match the player will stop an attack basically by adding total tackles (successful tackles), interceptions, shots blocked, crosses blocked, passes blocked, clearances and subtracting, dribbled past, unsuccessful touches, dispossessed.
These value are all per game so you can scour through them, players who have player more than others have no preference on this list, although all players have made more than 7 starts in the league at centre back this season. What you will see is that Ned has the highest value on that list at 13.0 which means that he's stopped on average 13 attacks per game.

[nasser95]

As I've said before Nasser. I'll leave it to my eye balls to make that judgement not some 'stats' a computer has generated.

And seeing as you've posted this while I've been working on compiling the data, I'll once again enlighten you. Stats are just representations of what your eyes should see. The difference is that stats have a tendency to see more than we do, less open to opinion based judgement and just cold hard facts.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Where is the column for mistakes? Poor passes? Short passes? Bad judgement? Lack of leadership?

I don't seem to be able to see them?

[upperloft]

Where is the column for mistakes? Poor passes? Short passes? Bad judgement? Lack of leadership?

I don't seem to be able to see them?

Can't see them either.

[nasser95]

Where is the column for mistakes? Poor passes? Short passes? Bad judgement? Lack of leadership?

I don't seem to be able to see them?

I could get those but those aren't really the base defensive duties. Lack of leadership? C'mon mate, you're clutching at straws. Here's something for you: lets say Onuoha makes a mistake every single game that costs us a goal. Despite this, he stops 13 chances that could have been goals as well.
As for the passing information, here's something for you: Our great Clint Hill is a terrible ball player. He's got a worse pass accuracy than Onuoha and only slightly better than Hall. Yet we can agree that both Clint and Hall are very good defending centre backs.

[nasser95]

Can't see them either.

Shock and Awe, the two people who haven't given Onuoha a fair level of respect for his performances all season are once again refusing to give credit to the obvious facts in front of their eyes. Next you'll tell me Hits is disagreeing with everyone about the next manager.

[nasser95]

But here, for your sake I've included Inaccurate short and long passes as these are the ones that will actually lead to opposition attacks. The calculation has changed by subtracting the average of short and long inaccurate passes as it can generally be accepted that for every 2 inaccurate passes, 1 is likely to lead to an opportunity.

[upperloft]

Shock and Awe, the two people who haven't given Onuoha a fair level of respect for his performances all season are once again refusing to give credit to the obvious facts in front of their eyes. Next you'll tell me Hits is disagreeing with everyone about the next manager.

Sorry again Nas for not falling into line. His performances have been much better since Hall has come into the side. Well done. And the season we went up with Redknapp, he done well. But he has been shocking at times this season, don't care about the 'stats' I've seen it. This is our captain we are talking about, I have been told on this page that I expect too much of him. Why do you think you have to correct people? When anyone has an issue you try and ram stats down our throats? I judge by performance that I've seen, results and the league table. If you think he has been great this season then fair play.

[nasser95]

Sorry again Nas for not falling into line. His performances have been much better since Hall has come into the side. Well done. And the season we went up with Redknapp, he done well. But he has been shocking at times this season, don't care about the 'stats' I've seen it. This is our captain we are talking about, I have been told on this page that I expect too much of him. Why do you think you have to correct people? When anyone has an issue you try and ram stats down our throats? I judge by performance that I've seen, results and the league table. If you think he has been great this season then fair play.

My point was that there has been every suggestion that he has been great this season. I didn't tell you to lower your expectations for the record, I just think you are choosing to ignore the obvious point that he has been much better than you've given him credit for. I have stats because they are the most valid proof of argument. I use them to highlight points, to back up what I say. What you and Jimmy say is "I've seen it with my eyes". Personally, I've seen it all with my eyes, at least 2 times and then I look at the stats as well.
Tell me, would you have known that he made the most interceptions in the league this season just by using your eyes as you do? Most definitely not. So I'm telling you that your eyes will not capture the full picture, but stats can fill in the blanks if you want to use them.

[upperloft]

My point was that there has been every suggestion that he has been great this season. I didn't tell you to lower your expectations for the record, I just think you are choosing to ignore the obvious point that he has been much better than you've given him credit for. I have stats because they are the most valid proof of argument. I use them to highlight points, to back up what I say. What you and Jimmy say is "I've seen it with my eyes". Personally, I've seen it all with my eyes, at least 2 times and then I look at the stats as well.
Tell me, would you have known that he made the most interceptions in the league this season just by using your eyes as you do? Most definitely not. So I'm telling you that your eyes will not capture the full picture, but stats can fill in the blanks if you want to use them.

Ok Nas, didnt accuse you of saying I should lower my expectations.

But as you still think Onouha has had a great season why have we conceded so many goals? Because the two players above NO has not conceded as many? Now I believe we have been shocking up until 4 or 5 games ago and I also believe everyone should take equal blame but as a captain, one of the clubs highest earners and a player I expect much, much more from he should be doing better. But that's my opinion.

[1QPRDK]

Thanks for the stats Nasser mate. I must be suffering from a serious case of confirmation bias and probably focus too much on Nedīs mistakes and shortcomings. Nice to have your preconceptions challenged by the stats

[nasser95]

Ok Nas, didnt accuse you of saying I should lower my expectations.

But as you still think Onouha has had a great season why have we conceded so many goals? Because the two players above NO has not conceded as many? Now I believe we have been shocking up until 4 or 5 games ago and I also believe everyone should take equal blame but as a captain, one of the clubs highest earners and a player I expect much, much more from he should be doing better. But that's my opinion.

What you are looking at is the deficiencies of the team and placing those issues firmly on the back of a player, even if you are saying you are spreading it equally. Could I make the point that balancing issues could have been the cause of our defensive issues? That Maybe because of our style of play, Angella wasn't a fit at the time and the constant rotation of players around Onuoha meant that no one was really settled. The man can only do his job, not the job of 4 or 5 other defensive players. For example, Karl Henry meant that the volume of chances being created by the opposition was heightened significantly. Onuoha can only do so much when you have such incompetence ahead of you.

[nasser95]

Thanks for the stats Nasser mate. I must be suffering from a serious case of confirmation bias and probably focus too much on Nedīs mistakes and shortcomings. Nice to have your preconceptions challenged by the stats

Haha it's what I do. I try to make the stats more readable and allow people to make decisions based off the information. I don't think it's right to totally look at the stats but its also not right to just ignore them because they disagree with what people want to see. So I respect that you are taking these into account.